cherokee
(newbie)
11/19/09 05:52 AM
child support

right now i'm not getting the correct c.s from my ex, because of a dopey lawyer i had. so now i have to into family court to seek the increase my son is entitled to. can my ex then start junk and want to file for custody. because i know he doesn't want to pay. he's military ,and makes 40K plus a year,any help in appreciated. i'm in n.y.

ssmom79
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 07:52 AM
Re: child support

Yes he can start junk, including filing for custody of the child. Doesn't mean he'll get it, but he can start junk.

How did you get a lower amount, it was your lawyer yes? How long ago was it ordered? There are some NY'ers here that can assist but you'll probably need to supply a little more info.

How much are you getting and what do you think it should be?


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 12:31 PM
Re: child support

Need more information please.

When was your order filed?

Your ex can certainly start junk; however, unless a petition for both child support AND custody are filed together? A CS and a Custody hearing are TWO SEPARATE THINGS. NY does not like to commingle the two unless you're doing it as a combined exercise (for example, the other parent files for custody and files for child support relative to that custody change).

Does he have other children for whom a Child Support Order is in place?

If not, than it would be 17% of your combined incomes, (minus roughly 9.25% for FICA and Medicare out of each of your incomes). Then take each person's income (minus the FICA/Medicare), and divide that by the total income to get your respective pro-rata shares. Divide that by 12 and VOILA! You each have your monthly responsibility.

Currently, and until 1/31/2010, the court MAY treat income above $80,000 (combined) differently than the income below $80,000 (which is fixed at 17%.. PERIOD). A judge may elect to apply the same 17% to amounts above $80,000, or he/she may elect to apply a different/presumably lower, percentage.

I mentioned 1/31/2010. On that date, new Domestic Relations Law relative to the NY Child Support Standards Act (CSSA) will take effect, which will raise that $80,000 "cap", to $130,000.

Please feel free to private message me any questions. I do not hang out on this board very often and just happened to catch your post today.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 03:37 PM
Re: child support

How are you NOT getting the right amount of CS? And yes, expect something counterfiled against you. Every action has a reaction. I learned that the hard and expensive way.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/19/09 06:35 PM
Re: child support

right now i'm getting $296.00 per month, my ex is in the military and he's making about $40K per year, not to mention the cost of living he gets while he's in italy $40.00 per day. plus food allowance and about $2500.00 per month for rent. i feel my son should be getting around $500.00 or so per month, or what ever 17% of his money is..thank you

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 06:44 PM
How often does he see the child...

...now?

rocketgirl
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 09:34 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

Aren't CS and visitation two separate issues?

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/19/09 09:45 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

They ARE legally, but not when we are at war, he is deployed overseas, and she wants more money. You think HIS lawyer is not going to bring that up?

cherokee
(newbie)
11/20/09 04:26 AM
Re: How often does he see the child...

oh please come on ,what war is there in italy, he's in the air force. he'll never see iraq or use a gun. please he has a desk job. and what's that got to do with supporting his SON.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/20/09 04:31 AM
Re: How often does he see the child...

as far as seeing his son, when he's 6 year old that will be in march. he takes him to italy for 5 weeks. of course he won't be home with him to much because he has to work, and the military will not give him all that time.So his mother who lives with him will watch him most of the time. when asked to come in for visitation he always says he has not enough leave time....

almostheaven
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 07:12 AM
Re: child support

It isn't a matter of what you "feel" you should get, but what the courts have set. If his income has changed, you can file for a modification. If he lied about his income, you can appeal the decision and they can go back and make him pay the back months. But until he's been ordered to pay something different, what he's ordered to pay is what he owes. If you file against him, he can always file something to counter it, including ask for custody. However, he didn't get custody the first time, what makes him think he'd get it now. AND, being in Italy ain't a gonna help him none. That may also play a bit in your favor in that he won't file anything counter because he's in Italy, but it may play against you because I believe if he's serving over there, anything you file will be put on hold until he's back in the country.

1966Gal
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 09:05 AM
Re: child support

Definitly file for an adjustment of CS. Your ex is in the military and currently living out of the country. Now would be a good time to get that ball rolling because he's certainly not in a position to press for a change in custody.

When he get back, he might, but that's a bridge you can cross then. For now, you should make sure that you are receiving the correct amount of CS based on your and your ex's current income.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 11:29 AM
Re: How often does he see the child...

What was his old income based on?

Where in NY are you located, what area?


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 12:00 PM
How DARE you and Almost...

...suggest taking advantage of a DEPLOYED military persons inability to respond BECAUSE of the distance as a good time to file against him?

He isn't MAKING anymore, he is getting a stipend because of the increased expenses of where he is stationed. Those extra expenses are NOT Mom's.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 12:52 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

[quote]Where in NY are you located, what area? [/quote]

------------> Location should NOT matter. The CSSA is the CSSA. My attorney had some sharp words for your online advice, by the way, regarding CSSA and keeping on telling people there is a CAP. She got VERY angry at that, in fact. And said, and I quote.. "there is NOT a cap!!! A judge has the discretion to use a DIFFERENT percentage to money above X amount; however ALL income MUST be considered in calculating child support, specifically, to get to pro-rata shares". But she said NOWHERE does it say that money over $80K should not count, nor be calculated, nor have 0% applied to it.

And, as of 1/31/2010, the "80K cap" will no longer apply ANYWAY, since it is going up to $130K AND it will automatically be re-adjusted every 2 years, so in 2012 it will adjust again, as (I believe it is) CPI increases.

In THIS poster's case, she needs a "change of circumstance" to increase child support and she'd better have a DARN good case for one. Him being deployed, and receiving monies to live in an overseas location due TO that deployment? Is not going to cut it, quite frankly. If his W-2 income is still showing the same (or similar) amount from when their CS was calculated? Then it's unlikely she will get a mod.

Now, if she's saying that, when she agreed to that amount, that she was not aware of the appropriate calculation, via the CSSA, then that is another case; HOWEVER, typically there is very specific wording in agreements that state that each party acknowledges that they have received a copy of the CSSA, that they know what the CSSA calculation would be, and agree to any type of deviation from that amount.

I qualify for modification because I have a substantial change of circumstance in that Self-Support Reserve is not intended to be a permanent status and once a party is out of that status, based on their income at that time, the whole Child Support calculation would be different.

I'm not entirely sure that this poster has a case, and I'm even less convinced that she has one while the man is overseas, and unable to dispute/counterclaim any claim she might make.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:03 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

PM- I have always said that the courts CAN deviate from the guidelines of just the 17% on the full amount if they WANT. I have even explained as such 17% on the first $80k, and a different percentage (or the same percentage)if the courts so choose on the REST. The courts CAN deviate, and there are reasons to WHY they deviate. The CO has to have the REAL amount of incomes on it.

BM's lawyer told her it was THE NORM to cap where we live. That is what we were told. Also where we live, change of income is enough of a change of circumstance to modify income.

So your lawyer can have all the harsh words she wants for me, BM's lawyer and our lawyer AGREED that it was the norm to cap the income at $80k total with 0% thereafter.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:06 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

Just because it is "the norm" doesn't make it right. Go read the Quadrennial evaluation of the application of CSSA and see how those counties fare.

and yes, I would agree change of INCOME is a change of circumstance. However, payment of a per diem or other living expenses is not "income" necessarily. So to advise that she may qualify for an increase based on that amount, is ill-advised.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:22 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

Oh I agree- if she thinks that HIS income has changed, that's fine, but if she wants to count what he gets per diem then I don't think that counts at least it never has for H.

I am not sure what you are saying PM? We are saying the SAME thing. Courts can deviate based on some spelled out reasons to deviate if they believe that the amount of CS is unfair or unjust. If they do deviate on combined incomes over $80k (which is what it is till 1/31/10 until it hits $130k), they can use the 17% of the monies over $80k, use a different percentage, or 0%.

The lawyers in our area that we spoke to and BM's lawyer (who was a REAL jerk btw) said for our county cutting off at the $80k and using 0% past that was the norm. However, they didn't make much past $80k THEN. So maybe that is the difference? BM herself only made $9k that year. Theirs is spelled out in the CO, as to what each one really makes, etc.

How the courts/magistrates decide it- is what it is. Some apparently deviate, others don't. I always think it's best to come to an agreement if possible. Even dating back to two years ago when I was letting people on the CS board what happened in my H's case... I have always stated that the courts CAN deviate. They use the 17% on combined incomes past $80k, they can use a smaller percentage or 0%. That is the whole purpose of the combined incomes after $80k or soon to be $130k, isn't it?? It's there for a reason. Whether the courts choose it or not, it's there.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:35 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

I see that. I am only speaking off what I know, that we have personally dealt with in OUR own CS hearings. This is the way it worked for H and his X. I think people should be aware of the deviation, whether it's used or not- is anybody's guess?

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:40 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

Yes, it will be 130K as of 1/31/2010. That's a definite. Signed into law. It will fluctuate every 2 years after that depending on whatever index it is they're using (CPI I believe it is). One of the NY lawyer blogs has the entire updated statute posted on it, I forget which guy it was.

I can see in cases where income is only very slightly above the current $80K that the 0% would be applied. As in my case, if you applied 0% after $80K, you haven't even considered all of just MY income, and you've not considered a single dollar of the other parent's.

Now, I've seen a lot of cases where the parties agree to apply 0% after $80K, but again, the amount above $80K was minimal ($5K or less), as in your DH's case.

I am glad they have raised the "cap", frankly. They did it, or so I read, because it was a more realistic representation of dual income households potential total income, versus the $80K.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:41 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

[quote]I see that. I am only speaking off what I know, that we have personally dealt with in OUR own CS hearings. This is the way it worked for H and his X. I think people should be aware of the deviation, whether it's used or not- is anybody's guess? [/quote]

In her case, the deviation point is moot. Combined income won't even come close to the $80K mark, never mind go over ;)


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 02:47 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

I'm okay with them raising it as well. I am hoping that with them raising they will use the deviation more :) Since $80k combined isn't very much, maybe with the $130k the deviation past that will be used as a smaller percentage or at 0%.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 03:04 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

[quote]I'm okay with them raising it as well. I am hoping that with them raising they will use the deviation more :) Since $80k combined isn't very much, maybe with the $130k the deviation past that will be used as a smaller percentage or at 0%. [/quote]

I would agree you'll probably see more application of much lower or zero percentage deviations above that benchmark.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/20/09 05:15 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

this has nothing to do with what he made or is making .i was never made fully aware of the cssa.none the less i believe that i should get an increase after it's been 3 years this coming october. i mean really any body would say how do you raise a 6 year old on less then $10 bucks a day, give him all the needs of everyday

cherokee
(newbie)
11/20/09 05:16 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

i live in upstate new york

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 05:30 PM
Weeellll...honestly...

"i mean really any body would say how do you raise a 6 year old on less then $10 bucks a day, give him all the needs of everyday"

You don't, because the $296 he is paying is for HALF of the support of the child. The other half comes from you.


googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 05:32 PM
Re: child support

Please feel free to private message me any questions. I do not hang out on this board very often and just happened to catch your post today

>>>>>>>>>>> (giggle snort ) .


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 06:42 PM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

She can't. He is protected by the SCRA while stationed in Italy.

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 06:47 PM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

I know that, but it is REALLY low and telling of an individuals character when they choose to use the fact that a person is serving their country, in whatever capacity, overseas, in order to sneak a court order through, or to do so underhandedly.

Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 06:49 PM
Re:

[quote]I know that, but it is REALLY low and telling of an individuals character when they choose to use the fact that a person is serving their country, in whatever capacity, overseas, in order to sneak a court order through, or to do so underhandedly. [/quote]

Well there is no real way to serve him and once the judge finds out he is overseas I doubt he'd touch it. Especially now. Susan has no idea what she is talking about.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 06:54 PM
Re:

The main point is the whole IDEA of it. Its just so SLIMEY. Like "You should be able to get this through without a response because he CAN'T respond because he is overseas serving his country."

I HATE people who take advantage of our military members. Those people live under the umbrella of FREEDOM that the military folks PROVIDE, then USE the military members lack of those SAME freedoms to screw them over.

As if Susan would be where she is in the old Soviet Union or in Cuba.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 07:02 PM
Re:

very true...

googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/20/09 10:57 PM
Re: child support

Did you stipulate the amount of support or did a judge/magistrate decide ?

cherokee
(newbie)
11/21/09 07:53 AM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

what is SCRA anyway

cherokee
(newbie)
11/21/09 08:26 AM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

i ask one question and this forum goes off on a tangent for caps and stuff, please stick to my issue...thank you

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 08:30 AM
Re: child support

Please go thru history and see how often I post on this board....as opposed to you. So "gigglesnort" yourself.

rocketgirl
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 08:30 AM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

That's just gr8one... it seems he feels that is the only way he can make a point and belittle someone at the same time. Ignore him.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 08:34 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

[quote]"i mean really any body would say how do you raise a 6 year old on less then $10 bucks a day, give him all the needs of everyday"

You don't, because the $296 he is paying is for HALF of the support of the child. The other half comes from you. [/quote]

don't know how that figure came to be. If he makes $40k he should be at around $600 a month. But she has $0 income.... Sooooo. Not sure how that factors in other than she is providing zero dollars of the child's support.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 08:34 AM
Yeah, I am SUCH a bad guy...

...to suggest NOT taking advantage of a deployed service members inability to counter file because they are OVERSEAS, and that an 18 year old "child" is not going to get support (you know, like the LAW says).

Ignore me cause you don't like the advice, THAT is ALWAYS the best response, BAER.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 08:38 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

It was in response to her statement that she doesn;t see how she should raise a kid on $10 a day, and I said that was only HALF.

Not sure how one justifies NOT working, NOT supporting the kid and asking for MORE from the other side. The guy MAKES $40K, after taxes, much less. It is a court ordered amount. If she wants to LEGALLY change it, great, go for it, but to use his deployment status at the ideal time to file, because he CAN'T respond, is low, anyway you look at it.


googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 09:07 AM
Re: child support

Please go thru history and see how often I post on this board....as opposed to you. So "gigglesnort" yourself.

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16,000 posts in 34 months to 4789 in 47 months . Nuff said .


Miranda
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11/21/09 09:14 AM
Re

SERVICEMEMBERS' CIVIL RELIEF ACT (SCRA)
INTRODUCTION
The Servicemembers Civil Relief ACT (SCRA), Public Law 108-109, strengthens the rights of servicemembers entering active duty by easing economic and legal burdens. Several of the SCRA provisions directly affect child support enforcement. The SCRA applies to civil court actions, state and federal administrative actions, but not criminal proceedings.

WHO IS INCLUDED
The SCRA applies to active duty servicemembers. Armed forces reservists and National Guard members are also under protection of the SCRA when called to active service by the President or the Secretary of Defense for a period of thirty (30) consecutive days.

WAIVER OF RIGHTS (SCRA)
Servicemembers can sign a waiver if they agree for Child Support Enforcement (CSE) to establish paternity and/or support when the NCP is unable to come to the CSE office or court. They must do this during or immediately after their period of military service, in a separate document that refers to the support order to which the waiver applies. CSE must attach the waiver to the support order.

A servicemember's legal representative has the authority to sign a waiver on his/her behalf. The SCRA defines the legal representative as an attorney working on behalf of the servicemember or an individual who possesses a power of attorney from the servicemember.

If the legal representative signs a waiver on behalf of the servicemember, CSE must attach a copy of the power of attorney to the waiver form. If the case is before the court, these documents should be submitted to the court as evidence.

STAY OF PROCEEDINGS WHEN THE SERVICEMEMBER HAS NOTICE (SCRA)
When a court hearing has been initiated, the SCRA provides the servicemember with at least a 90-day automatic stay of proceedings if he/she supplies the court with a letter or other communication (e-mail, fax, or similar “permanent” type of communication) that includes:

1. The facts stating why current military duty prevents the servicemember from coming to court;

2. A date when the servicemember will be available to appear in court;

3. An additional letter or other communication from the servicemember's commanding officer, stating that the servicemember's current military duty prevents the NCP from appearing in court and that military leave is not authorized at the time of the letter.

Servicemembers can apply for an additional stay of proceedings based on their continuing inability to appear due to military duty. The same information that is required for the initial stay must be included in the later request.

Before the subsequent court hearing date, CSE should communicate with the servicemember and his/her commanding officer to make sure that the servicemember will be available at the next hearing. If necessary, the commanding officer should be reminded about DOD Directive 1327.5, which states that when a servicemember requests leave due to the need to attend hearings to determine paternity and/or establish child support, leave will be granted, unless the servicemember is currently deployed or in a situation that requires a denial of the request.

Requests for additional stay of proceedings by servicemembers are up to the court. If the court refuses to grant the stay, then the court must appoint an attorney to represent the servicemember.

If the court denies the initial request for a stay of proceedings or any later request for a stay because the NCP did not meet the criteria to make a request, then the court does not have to appoint an attorney to represent the servicemember. If this is the case, then the court can enter a final order.

The servicemember cannot request a stay of proceeding if he/she makes the request later than ninety (90) days after termination or release from the military service.

PRIOR TO DEFAULT JUDGMENTS (SCRA)
Affidavit Regarding Military Service –
Child Support Enforcement must file an affidavit with the court prior to the entry of default judgment that indicates whether or not the defendant is in the military, or that CSE does not know whether or not the defendant is in the military.

CSE should submit the affidavit to the court at the same time as the entry of the default judgment except when the servicemember has signed a SCRA waiver.

The Department of Defense (DOD) has a website where CSE workers can obtain a certificate stating whether or not an NCP is a servicemember. An affidavit can be based on this certificate, indicating whether an individual is a servicemember or not.

If it appears that the NCP is a servicemember, then the court cannot enter a judgment until after the court appoints an attorney to represent the defendant.

In addition, it is mandatory for the court to grant a stay of proceedings for a minimum of ninety (90) days if:

1. A defense to the action might exist that cannot be presented without the presence of the defendant;

2. The court-appointed attorney has been unable to contact the defendant; or

3. The court-appointed attorney certifies that a valid defense exists.

If the court-appointed attorney cannot contact the servicemember, actions by the attorney in the case do not prevent the servicemember from petitioning the court to reopen a default judgment.

AFTER AN ENTRY OF DEFAULT JUDGMENT (SCRA)
If the servicemember later wants to reopen the default judgment, these conditions must be met:

1. CSE failed to file the prerequisite affidavit at the time of entry of default judgment;

2. The default judgment was taken against the servicemember during his/her period of military duty or within sixty (60) days of termination of active duty;

3. The motion to reopen the judgment was filed within at least ninety (90) days of the servicemember's termination from active duty;

4. The servicemember's defense to the action was affected by reason of his/ her military service; and

5. The servicemember had a valid defense to the action.

If it is determined that the servicemember's military duties affected his/her ability to comply with a court order or judgment that was initiated against that servicemember before or during active duty military service or within ninety (90) after active duty service ends, then the court can:

1. Stay the execution of any judgment or order entered against him/ her, and;

2. Vacate or stay any attachment or garnishment of property, money, or debts in the possession of the servicemember.

If the servicemember fails to move to reopen the judgment within ninety (90) days from termination of active duty, the order cannot be reopened.

TEMPORARY ORDERS (SCRA)
The court has the authority to enter a temporary child support order, without having to follow the requirements of filing an affidavit and having to appoint an attorney for the servicemember. In addition, the court has the authority to enter other temporary orders, such as an order requiring the servicemember to submit to paternity testing or answer interrogatories.

GUARANTEE OF RESIDENCY FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL (SCRA)
A servicemember who is absent from a state in compliance with military orders is not considered to have lost residency in that state whether or not he/she intends to return to that state. The servicemember shall not be considered to have become a resident of any other state.

HEALTH INSURANCE REINSTATEMENT (SCRA)
SCRA includes a provision guaranteeing that an individual's personal health insurance which was terminated because of entry into military service must be reinstated upon release from military service without any exclusions or waiting periods. The servicemember must apply for the reinstatement of the health insurance within one hundred-twenty (120) days after termination or release from military service.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 09:33 AM
Re: How DARE you and Almost...

cherokee- What is your current CS order? How much and based on what incomes?

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 12:41 PM
Re: child support

Wow you really ARE dense... I meant THIS board... Child Support.

Avaya
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/21/09 10:55 PM
Re: How often does he see the child...

[quote] i mean really any body would say how do you raise a 6 year old on less then $10 bucks a day, give him all the needs of everyday [/quote]

That's just what his father provides. You have to provide some too, so nobody is saying the child should be raised on less than $10 per day.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 04:08 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

according to a lawyer even if i was working, the ex still has to pay 17% for child support in ny state. that amount does not change because i work or not. he goes to kindergarten for about 3 hours per day, i can't get a job until he's full time school. there is no money for someone to watch him..

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 08:14 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

Yes, it doesn't make a difference really unless you were making more than the NCP. BUT as the posters stated above YOU should be contributing to the financial wellbeing of your son too. If you were making $$ then a portion of that would be going towards his support. If he is making $40k in just income and not per diem, then your support (after the appropriate taxes being taken out) would be closer to $515. Yet that is JUST what HE PAYS to support your son, you should be contributing too.

In NYS there are programs that help single parents (with lower incomes) pay for daycare while they work. I know MANY mothers who are on it. They get anywhere from 75-100% of daycare paid for.


amazing
(member)
11/22/09 08:16 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

Well good luck. I had 2 in diapers and one not. I couldn't work either. So I feel for you. Jobs are hard to find these days. I hope you make it.

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:58 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

Also I have to add, although CS in NY ends up being 17% of the NCP's income almost any way you look at it...each parent's income is used to figure out what their pro rata share is for such things as add ons (uncovered medical/dental as an example). If you are not making money you should be at the very least imputed on paper as what your income would be working FT at min. wage. If you use your income as such, and your X's income you can configure each of your shares as to what you should be giving towards your son's financial wellbeing.

Again, if you work- you should be given state help for daycare, anything left over your X would split with you in ratio to your incomes, as that is part of your CS order.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 11:10 AM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

[quote]according to a lawyer even if i was working, the ex still has to pay 17% for child support in ny state. that amount does not change because i work or not. he goes to kindergarten for about 3 hours per day, i can't get a job until he's full time school. there is no money for someone to watch him.. [/quote]


You should be working. Staying at home while your ex supports you and your child is not in the cards for you.


googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 12:09 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

So who is paying your bills ?

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 12:12 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

cherokee--- I answered the PM that you sent me.

Sherron
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 01:05 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

"he goes to kindergarten for about 3 hours per day, i can't get a job until he's full time school. "
You don't have the option not to have a job. You're not the first single parent to be employed.

"there is no money for someone to watch him.. "
That's where this whole having a job thing comes in pretty handy.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 03:11 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

right now i happen to live with my parents. that's how i'm surviving for now. god bless them for what they have done for me and my son....

spinnerdegrassi
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 03:53 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

If you live with your parents, why can't you work, have them watch him temporarily till you save up enough to have him go to daycare for 1/2 the day.

Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 03:56 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

Are your parents helping support you right now? I'm confused on why it is fine for you to live with your parents and they help you but it is not fine for your ex to have his Mom live with him and grandma watch the child while he works.

Very few parents are able to take off a lot of time from work. Your ex has more time than most because he gets 30 days per year. While the child is with Dad it is Dad's parenting time and most parents still have to work during their parenting time.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 04:30 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

my parents work, they don't have time in the day to watch my son. they are doing a lot right now, as it is. and by the way military gives you leave time that is best for them not for you. yes 30 days, is nice but he can never take them all at once

cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 04:36 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

my ex is NOT SUPPORTING me at all. i get no alimony, again thanks to the dope of a lawyer i had. all he gives my son is $9.85 per day..

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 04:36 PM
So, what DO you DO?

Lets see, your parents work to support you, your ex works to support the kid, and you sit around the house and do NOTHING. Get a JOB. Start SUPPORTING yourself and your child.

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 04:36 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

Which is $9.95 a day MORE than YOU give the kid.

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 04:40 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

What about health insurance? Who pays for that ?

The bottom line is if you want the CS adjusted go to court. The situation exists, if it is not fair, start doing what it takes to get it fixed. No one wants your child to suffer, or your ex to get over. You have a part in this. Hopefully with the gift your parents are giving you, you are able to get a start on this new life. But you are in control of you.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 04:40 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

well smart guy you give me $800.00 per month to have someone watch my son ,and i'll go to work tomorrow. i assume your a guy. if you think it's easy to raise a child alone, it isn't any man would rather go to work then stay home and take care of a child. when their work ends their day is over, not so for a mother..think a little before you talk

cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 04:47 PM
Re: Weeellll...honestly...

grtdad, what i give my son has nothing to do with the child support my ex has to give his son. even if i went to work right now that does not change a thing. i believe a man that does not step up to the plate to take care of his son is not a man in any sense of the word, and never will be. he did more for his mother then he did for me and my son

youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:06 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]well smart guy you give me $800.00 per month to have someone watch my son ,and i'll go to work tomorrow. i assume your a guy. if you think it's easy to raise a child alone, it isn't any man would rather go to work then stay home and take care of a child. when their work ends their day is over, not so for a mother..think a little before you talk [/quote]

Oh God...someone kill me now because I'm about to defend Gr8dad.

Let me put this into perspective for you, Cherokee, gr8dad is raising ALL of his kids ON HIS OWN and he's TAKING CARE OF HIS PARENTS. So, maybe you need to sit the fVck down and shut up and think before YOU speak.

That said, YES, your ex should be paying more in child support based upon what he's making. So, file with Child Support Enforcement to review the Child Support.

However, YOU should be working as well. It sucks to have to juggle as a single working parent. It sucks to have to find childcare. It sucks to be tired. It's a part of the job. Go to your local welfare office and apply for childcare assistance. Then start applying for jobs. Or get a job in the evenings while your parents work. Or get a job at a daycare where you'll get reduced daycare for your child. There are ALL KINDS of options. Single PARENTS do it every day.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:25 PM
I am CUSTODIAL...

...father of THREE children that has SOLE custody and is ordered $200 a month TOTAL in child support, which I RARELY recieve. I work a full time job, and I attend school full time in the evenings, just recently earning my Associates degree. I also care for my elderly disabled parents.

So you can take your BOO HOO crap and stick it sideways up your ASS. There are reduced rate and FREE daycare for single parents, you were TOLD that. But that would require you to get up off your lazy ASS and DO something.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:26 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Thank you, I know that must have hurt, LOL.

youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:31 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]Thank you, I know that must have hurt, LOL. [/quote]

It's quite painful, actually...I might have to call in sick tomorrow because of it.

Wait...did I get all my commas right that time?


Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:35 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

I wonder if CS was lowered so that Dad could afford to pay for tickets to get the child to him since he is military?

I also wonder if her ex is enlisted or Officer. If he gets $40,000 a year is that with the extras or without. I would gather he is a lower enlisted and with the extras he gets $40,000 a year. If you take a lower enlisted, an E-3 with 2 years basic pay and take 17% it is about $300 a month which is about what she is getting.

[censored]://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/bp/paytables/2009%20capped.pdf


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:48 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Actually, not really, the ellipsis should REALLY be a comma...

youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 06:52 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Bite me!!!

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 07:45 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

NOW your commas are correct...

cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 08:50 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

tweeby--- $40k a year is his base pay, with the extra's it's around $$$$95,000.00 per year. look into military.com ,and you'll see what they get overseas. that's including about $42.50 per day for cost of living. when his son gets $9.85 per day.....

JennyLynn
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 08:51 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Cherokee, if all you're receiving is $300 (or so), and you aren't working - why don't you apply for DHS assistance so that your child can go to daycare and you can work?

cherokee
(newbie)
11/22/09 08:53 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

grdad, what i do in a week you don't do in a month, 3 kids or no 3 kids, you might be one of the few in this world of men that actually step up to the plate. but i see from your wise a-- remarks, your just like the rest..have a good life

googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:05 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

You're FOS . Another CP dad here . Try getting $25/MONTH in CS for 2 kids and paying EVERYTHING yourself . BOO HOO she can't work . Can't BS another CNYer , there's loads of daycare assistance around here .

spinnerdegrassi
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:05 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

[quote]grdad, what i do in a week you don't do in a month, 3 kids or no 3 kids, you might be one of the few in this world of men that actually step up to the plate. but i see from your wise a-- remarks, your just like the rest..have a good life [/quote]

So let me see. He has all those kids to raise, and you have to deal with one kid...and you have it tougher? Seriously, who are you kidding. As far as men stepping up to the plate...are you trying to be serious? If you really wanted to step up to the plate yourself, you would have ensured that you had an education in place prior to ever having a child, to enable you to work FT and thus pay the cost of that daycare without issue. Your inability to earn enough to support yourself and pay a portion of daycare is not the fault of anyone other than yourself. You're already being subsidized by your parents, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Enjoy a life by yourself, because no man in his right mind would tolerate having to listen to the sexist drivel you're trying to put forth as valid.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:14 PM
You are very immature...

...and it shows. He gets a daily cost of living BECAUSE it costs a WHOLE LOT to live where he lives. Of course, if we use the numbers YOU provide, $42.50 a day, all year, is $15,512.50 a year. Add to that the supposed $2500 a month (which is PROBABLY the $42.50 a day PLUS lodging), but lets assume it is both, that is and extra 45K a year. What you are failing to see is that those things are NOT income. Those things are PER DIEM, they are compensation for extra expenses while in a high cost of living area. Rent in a place like that can cost upwards of $2000 a MONTH for an APARTMENT. So more than HALF of his "per diem" is going to rent, the rest is EATING (if he gets per diem, he does not get meals, so he has to BUY them).

But you right, he should give YOU more of HIS living expenses, so you can sit your lazy ass on your parents COUCH.


gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:17 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

Of course, ONE kindergartener is FAR worse tan TWO teenagers and a tweener. And NOT working is MUCH harder than working 40 hours + and going to SCHOOL full time. And living at home with your parents who WORK is MUCH harder than supporting my OWN home and CARING for my disabled parents.

Yeah, you have it SO tough.


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:17 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

[quote]grdad, what i do in a week you don't do in a month, 3 kids or no 3 kids, you might be one of the few in this world of men that actually step up to the plate. but i see from your wise a-- remarks, your just like the rest..have a good life [/quote]

I'm going to take a page out of gr8dad's book.

You are full of sh!t you stupid a$$ b!tch. You have NO fvcking idea what you're talking about. Your ex seriously needs to petitition for custody of his child so hopefully the child will have a chance growing up.

How'd I do gr8dad?


JennyLynn
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:19 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

Hahaha, good job Yah!! ;)

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:21 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

You forgot "cvnt"...and there were a few missing commas.

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:22 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

Not enough capped words...

youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:27 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

[quote]You forgot "cvnt"...and there were a few missing commas. [/quote]

yeah yeah yeah...

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Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 09:34 PM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]tweeby--- $40k a year is his base pay, with the extra's it's around $$$$95,000.00 per year. look into military.com ,and you'll see what they get overseas. that's including about $42.50 per day for cost of living. when his son gets $9.85 per day..... [/quote]


There is NO WAY he makes 55K a year in EXTRAS no way. My husband is an 0-4 flyer and does not get 55k extra a year. Ridiculous. We've lived overseas too, you are terribly misinformed.


googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/22/09 10:56 PM
Re: I am CUSTODIAL...

grdad, what i do in a week you don't do in a month, 3 kids or no 3 kids, you might be one of the few in this world of men that actually step up to the plate. but i see from your wise a-- remarks, your just like the rest..have a good life


>>>>>>>>>>> From a woman being supported by her child's father , mommy & DADDY .


cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 05:05 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

this was all figured out by an account and a lawyer. go look on military web sites and you'll all about certain areas overseas, and the monies that are figured for those areas. plus rates on COLA,RENT< UTILITIES,moving expenses,food allotments and the such

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 05:07 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

oh yea thanks for nothing ,except for a few, none of you are civilized, only smart mouthed people. you all have a nice life..

Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:08 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

A whole lot of what she says doesn't make sense. I don't see a court ordering him to pay about $300 a month on the numbers she gave unless there was a deviation.

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:23 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Who pays for the health insurance, and how much is that worth towards the cost of raising a child?

Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:36 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]this was all figured out by an account and a lawyer. go look on military web sites and you'll all about certain areas overseas, and the monies that are figured for those areas. plus rates on COLA,RENT< UTILITIES,moving expenses,food allotments and the such [/quote]

But in your OP you stated:
[quote]right now i'm not getting the correct c.s from my ex, because of a dopey lawyer i had [/quote]

So which is it?


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:39 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

How old is the court order, what income was used to figure the CS, has he been in Italy the entire time, there are a lot of things that come into play.

I ran the numbers for COLA for an 04 with 12 years in Italy, with 0 dependents, with no government housing provided. I used Vicenza as the location and it came out to 458.00 for every 15 day period.

We are talking about under 1000.00 a month for COLA. Of course that can vary by the area.

I am just not sure where the original numbers are coming from, but they are readily available to the public. Using the information she knows, she could find out pretty much exactly what his pay and benefits are.

Here is the page I used:

www.defensetravel.dod.mil/perdiem/ocform.html

There are so many things that affect this. Was he active duty when the order was done, how long will he be in italy, where at, TIS, Grade and more.


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:41 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Technically she could probably use CSE and they could do the review for her.

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:47 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

For what she is talking about, it depends on what NY allows for income. He is receiving benefits/allowances that are not permanent wages. He does not get a raise for being in Italy. His pay is the same, his allowances can change due to location.

What would stop her from using CSE? Is there some technical requirement that would stop her, beyond the time period?


Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:49 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

But why would a court allow such a small amount of CS with that income? It just doesn't make sense at all.

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:52 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

If it was that income, what if he is a reservist who has been activated ? One of the key questions is what income was used to figure the support. Too many mysteries.

1004SRS
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 06:18 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

That was nice of you, Redd, to not just attack but provide valuable information.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 06:44 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

yes, thank you redd. he has been in service for 18 years active duty. the reason i don't get the 17% as ny is required is when i explained in the beginning, my lawyer said if i did not allow that $2,000.00 to be withheld to him so he could travel in from where he was stationed, then the ex would continue to fight for custody. i was so fed up with all the crap from him and his mother, that i said lets get it over with. that's why my son is not getting what he' entitled to. but now that he's going on 6 it's not enough to raise him. plus the fact that he goes to school on my fathers tax bill, my ex don't even pay for that. but i will venture to guess that grtdad is 100 times better then my ex could ever be. even his parents stink they don't call to see how the boy is or nothing, that goes for his mother (who lives with him) and the grandfather and aunt who live 7 miles from us. i don't know how much more i can explain. i don't believe he ever wanted his son, just from the way he act's...believe me i can't wait to get a job. just to have more outside contacts with people. but right now, yes i'm a stay at home mom. even a lawyer told me that it's good i'm home for my son raising him, it's good for him emotionally, and he said where we live day care is a fortune, and not good for the child...thank you for hearing me

Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:02 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

So YOU agreed to a lessor amount of CS?

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:15 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Ok, let me see if I got this right. You are getting the 17% minus travel for him. This was based on the assumption he would actually travel. That just makes him not a good father. what your son is not getting out that deal is the time with his father. You are making it possible for him to see his children, he is a tool for choosing not to do so. You can go for a modification and have that removed. You could just tell him that you will pay for travel from thsi point forward, that way, you will get that money he is not using. Of course you will have to pay for his travel, so you need to have it available. That may be tough for awhile because that may make him decide to actually travel.

I cannot speak to your specific circumstances, but in parts of NY it does not matter how many kids go to school from a particular household, the school taxes are the same. Even retirees pay school taxes and they have no children. To me, it seems your son is benefitting from where you parents live and pay taxes, and not the ex.

You cannot make his parents be better grandparents, all you can do is leave the door open, some pictures, christmas cards, whatever it may be, all you can do is let them know the door is open. You don't have to, that is your choice. In the end all you can do is facilitate the fact that it is their choice. You cannot make the choice for them.

You are a stay at home mom. Your choice to do that is not a bad thing, but it is not the only thing. There are plenty of single parents who do work, and their children do not suffer. It is not a wrong or right choice, they are just different choices.

The daycare/SAHP has been an endless source of discussion, there are pros and cons, but do not confuse your choice as the best one. It is yours to make, and it is best for you, but certainly not the only workable choice.

You have to work with what you have. Circumstances are not good right now, and it is tough. You are making a choice to stay at home. it may be your only choice, and that is understandable. But you have to take a step back, and ask yourself, how do I make this work. How do you get more money coming into your household. I do hear you, and I am not sure a lawyer is the best person to take advice from on the social norms of rasing a child, but hey, who knows.

Maybe two questions you should ask people here are how to do a modification on your own, saving the cost of a lawyer, and if anyone knows of some innovative ways you can briing some cash into your household. Instead of fighting the system, use the system. It is there for everyone, and all of the people will not like the outcome, but your best chance to get any changes are to use the system.

Are your children on Tricare or US family health plan, what do they have for insurance?


cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 07:21 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

i had to ,at the time, i was afraid they would try something, and about 2 years after they did. his lawyer pulled a stunt on my father, trying to provoke him into hitting him, so they could say my father was dangerous, and have my son taken out of the house. luckily, my father is a vietnam vet and knows how to refrain from such attempt. the next trick was most recently, when my ex emailed me and said he would like to have our son in italy to attend the first grade fro one year.(of course i said no way. i found out that if i did allow such a thing, he could file motion for custody, under a thing called status quo..so you see what i'm up against...thank you

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:26 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Ok, that may be what it seems like. But now you have to understand, that your agreement was just that. It was a choice you made. That train has left the station. It is time to use the system to correct it. File for the modification and get started on the road to becoming self sufficient. This is not going to be quick fix. it may take years. Ask some people on here, how long it took them to get to that point, with their exes making it even tougher.

All of this hinges on the choices you make today, not the ones you made however many years ago.


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:28 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]Who pays for the health insurance, and how much is that worth towards the cost of raising a child? [/quote]

If he's military, insurance is free for the child.


Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:34 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

I am totally confused with you.

Dad wants the child to go to HIS home and he doesn't travel back to where you are. Is that correct? Traveling to where YOU are doesn't mean Dad doesn't want the child.

I'm not seeing what you are up against. You are blaming lawyers for choices that are made. I'm not sure how a lawyer could provoke your father into hitting him. Did he calls yoru father some names? In a divorce or custody case you got to have some pretty thick skin because there are a lot of dirty tricks that are used. Name calling is really nothing.

IMO, you keep trying to protray your ex in a bad way but it is just coming across as YOU being controlling and out of touch with reality.

I don't see what your up agaist at all. Seems that dad wants to be with the child but you want it on YOUR terms and if he doesn't agree than he is wrong. Just my opinion on what you have posted.

I would call you a troll but sadly I know others who think the same way you do. It is like talking to a brick wall because no matter what anyone says you are the victim and everyone who disagrees with you is trying bad.


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:51 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Actually that is just not true, that is one of urban myths. Just like any employer, what insurance costs, has a direct effect on the pay the employee receives. If it were free, then you would not have to do anything for it.

Not only that, there is an entire schedule of fees, deductibles, co pays, prescription costs, etc. To say it is free only continues to say there is no value to it. His providing insurance is a huge contribution.

There are different levels of "free" insurance, and depending on where they live, the number of providers could be limited. To say the insurance is free is the same as saying your children eat for free since they don't actually pay for it out of their pocket.

He has a great benefit, he goes to work every day to provide it, it is a huge contribution, and it should be recognized as such. If healthcare is free, then anyone drawing a paycheck is getting free money, since their employer provides that paycheck.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 08:34 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

At $40,000 base, he would be paying $517 at 17%. Minus $2000 off the total child support amount per year, that brings you to $4,205 in base child support, divided by 12, that's roughly $350 per month.

The numbers are adding up to me. I don't see what her issue is, frankly. She is claiming she wasn't properly advised of the CSSA. However, she had an attorney who should have advised her. If she signed the documents, then the CSSA "I understand what I'm doing" language WOULD have been in there. And she acknowledged it/accepted it by signing it.

Anyway, the reality is she's looking at a difference between $350 and $517 per month. What she NEEDS to do is go get a JOB. I don't intend that to be rude or mean, it's REALITY. You cannot live off of child support. PERIOD. YOU are "supposed" to be providing half of your child's care/well-being financially. You are not. You are failing that responsibility. Go get a job, use government programs that are available to you and stop trying to make up figures you can use to steal money from your ex to fund your share of caring for your child.

Sorry if that's "mean" or "harsh" it's REALITY.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 08:35 AM
Re:

If he is Air Force he is likely at Aviano. There is still no way he is getting 55K extra a year on top of regular pay unless he is getting a specialty bonus yearly. Food and housing allowance is not that high. COLA may be high, but he is only getting a single rate so how much could that be a month? 500? We got 800 for a family of 5 and that was right after September 11 when the dollar crashed.

Also, it seems that the poster agreed to a lessor amount of child support to end the court battle and to pave the way for visitation costs. I don't know how she can go about changing that agreement now.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:03 AM
Re:

[quote]I don't know how she can go about changing that agreement now. [/quote]

------------->> She CAN, it is a loophole in the CSSA. Particularly for people who are pro se or who can prove they had shytty attorneys. Easiest way? Is to claim you did NOT get a copy of the Child Support Standards Act. You are legally required to get a copy of the actual document. I forget what it's titled at the moment but it's basically THE act itself. And, when getting divorced, or doing a child support order you are SUPPOSED to, BOTH parties, get an actual real live, black and white (well color if you have a color printer and want to be fancy) hard copy version of the act.

Ex and I learned this twice... when his original divorce turned out NOT to be a divorce and again, when we were looking into doing a modification. Another reason the attorney said it was wisest not to open that poor because she COULD claim, having represented herself, that she never GOT a copy of the CSSA which would negate that ruling and he MIGHT end up worse off than he already was.

When I did our divorce I made SURE he had a copy, I made sure he signed an affidavit stating that he GOT that copy. And I signed one as well for me.

So yeah, if she's trying to say her attorney sucked and he didn't inform her/she didn't get a copy, yes, she has "grounds" to negate the existing child support order and they would start over from scratch.

Welcome to New York :(


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:15 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

That's crap. He pays NOTHING for his health insurance. Same as my ex pays NOTHING for our children's health insurance. Is it a benefit due to employment? Of course, but it's not something either parent is having to pay for.

spinnerdegrassi
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:30 AM
Re:

However, if she does go back to court, she risks getting burned for sitting on her ass and not working, especially with a kid who's almost 6 (how in the hell an almost 6 yr old isn't in kindergarten all day is beyond me, I was already in grade 2 by age 6)

Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:33 AM
Re:

I was wondering about the age myself. NY does NOT have a mandatory Kindergarden. They offer it but it is not mandatory. School age begins at 6 yo. She mentioned that the child will be turning 6 soon so the child will start school next school year.

Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:34 AM
Re:

Well I am not sure that is so easy to do. Everyone would be crying that they had a bad attorney. I cannot imagine how back logged the courts would be if they could just request child support reviews because they don't like their lawyer anymore. When people don't get what they want it is always beccause "the attorney sucked" not because of actual facts.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 09:35 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

first off "preemie" he lied about a promotion he got during the divorce. he said ,and told his lawyer he was only making $3oK per year when in fact it was much higher. so they went by the lesser amount.period....aS far as where he is stationed it is not aviano, he was already there years back. now he's in a place called "poggio renatico". if you look it up the cost are higher according to region. i'm not looking for them to impute any of that. i just want the 17% of his $40K...period, nothing more,only what the cssa states. and you may be right with that copy of the cssa, i've seen one to the best of my memory. thank you for the info

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:44 AM
Re:

In H's CS order, it specifically mentions that they each have been given a copy of the CSSA. I thought that wording pretty much went into all orders now before they signed off on it? She might want to check her order, before she uses that she never got one. It is right in H's latest order. I think it's in his very first order 17 years ago too, but I would have to dig through to see if that is accurate?

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 09:45 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]first off "preemie" he lied about a promotion he got during the divorce. he said ,and told his lawyer he was only making $3oK per year when in fact it was much higher. so they went by the lesser amount.period....aS far as where he is stationed it is not aviano, he was already there years back. now he's in a place called "poggio renatico". if you look it up the cost are higher according to region. i'm not looking for them to impute any of that. i just want the 17% of his $40K...period, nothing more,only what the cssa states. and you may be right with that copy of the cssa, i've seen one to the best of my memory. thank you for the info [/quote]i'm sure i have never seen one, but iwill check all of my papers to be sure...thank you

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:50 AM
Re:

[quote]I was wondering about the age myself. NY does NOT have a mandatory Kindergarden. They offer it but it is not mandatory. School age begins at 6 yo. She mentioned that the child will be turning 6 soon so the child will start school next school year. [/quote]

Actually? It is FIVE years old. At least here it is. Your child has to be FIVE years old by the cut off date for the school district. DD will have been FIVE by the time she starts school, by 9 months. You can actually be FOUR and start kindergarten here. For example, your child is 4.. and their birthday is November 15th. They can start school on say September 1st, as a 4 year old, and celebrate their 5th birthday their 3rd months of school.

DD misses the cutoff by 45 days. So she will actually be 5 when she starts. So she graduates high school at 18 1/2. If your child starts at 4.. that's how you get 17 year old high school graduates.


spinnerdegrassi
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:53 AM
Re:

That's how it was with us. The cutoff dates were Dec 31. So if you were going to turn 6 by Dec 31 you would start Grade 1 in Sept of that year. If your turned 6 on Jan 1, you would wait till Sept of the following year.

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 09:56 AM
Re:

DS started at 4, but there were kids starting at 5, or those where there parents held them back to start at age 6. My niece started kindergarten at 6, her birthday is in July. After the testing they didn't feel she was necessarily 'ready'.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 09:59 AM
Re:

can you tell me what this document on cssa looks like. so far i've seen nothing other then divorce papers, and such. but no special document the would stick out..thank you

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:02 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Cherokee..

How could he "lie"????? First of all, they are SUPPOSED to provide not only current paystubs BUT prior year W-2's which, LEGALLY, is what they are SUPPOSED to base CS off of.

Listen, you're telling tales to the wrong bytch honey. I know CSSA? Inside out, backwards and forwards, upside down and sideways and can do calcs for it in my sleep :)

You're full of it...


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:03 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

So it is a benefit of employment, and not free. I do not know if the Air Force has an end of year statement, but the Army did, and it showed exactly how much health insurance was worth. Time or money, one thing is for sure, it is not free, and it is a contribution.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:05 AM
Re:

[quote]That's how it was with us. The cutoff dates were Dec 31. So if you were going to turn 6 by Dec 31 you would start Grade 1 in Sept of that year. If your turned 6 on Jan 1, you would wait till Sept of the following year. [/quote]

It depends on school district here? Some it is August 1. Some it is December 1. There is also, I gather, a 7 day "grace" period. So, for example, the little girl who was with dd for so long? Her birthday is 12/14. She misses the grace period by 7 days. The 3rd little girl in our NICU "triumvirate" (lol), HER birthday is 12/9. She misses it, with the grace period, by TWO days. So it will really suck for them b/c they'll have been 18 for quite a while when they graduate high school.


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:06 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

It is of no cost to the employee...whether that be a military employee or an employee at a nonprofit, a forprofit or in another area of the government.

I don't know what Army end of year statements you were looking at, but Ex's never had a monetary value on his health insurance. Same with my insurance...there's no end of year "value". There is the end of year what *I* have paid into the policy (my employer pays 75% of the premium, I pay 25%).

Regardless, the amount NOT paid towards insurance does not get included in child support computations.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:07 AM
Re:

[quote]can you tell me what this document on cssa looks like. so far i've seen nothing other then divorce papers, and such. but no special document the would stick out..thank you [/quote]

It is a downloadable document from the web. Google "New York Child Support Standard Act" and it should be one of the, if not THE first document to come up. It is a .pdf file and it is a document that is like a spreadsheet, it will have incomes down the left, and across the top the # of children/percentage. From $0 to whatever income. I forget the bands of amounts.

ack.. God I hate doing your job for you, but.. here is the direct link: https[censored]newyorkchildsupport.com/pdfs/CSSA_2009.pdf


cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 10:42 AM
Re:

listen preemie he had got a promotion, prior to our divorce, then only four days later the raise came, so actually he'd already gotten the promotion, that's why his lawyer said he's only making $30K per year. i'm not lying this is what happened. now as far as that document your talking about( cssa) would i have had to receive that from the courts or what. i know like you said that its on line because, i still can't find it in my paper, although i will keep looking, as you have given me hope to this mess i'm in. thank you

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:44 AM
So he DIDN'T lie...

...he told you, AT the time, what he made. Now, you DO know that just because you GOT a promotion, in the military, doesn't mean you GET the money, right? Yiu get a promotion and a LINE NUMBER, and when the line number comes up, you put on the rank and get the money.

Damn, you are just DENSE.


Sherron
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:51 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

"Damn, you are just DENSE. "
On the bright side, she has managed to change my opinion about counting per diem for cs purposes.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 10:51 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

well your wrong and the lawyer proved it. the money was already in place, and i'm not dense. people just can't talk nice to people anymore.what a shame..

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 10:58 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

[quote]...he told you, AT the time, what he made. Now, you DO know that just because you GOT a promotion, in the military, doesn't mean you GET the money, right? Yiu get a promotion and a LINE NUMBER, and when the line number comes up, you put on the rank and get the money.

Damn, you are just DENSE. [/quote]

To the best of my knowledge it is based on PRIOR YEARS W-2s. The current stubs only back that up. If they didn't exist, they would go based on prior year. Since, at the time of the CS request, he did NOT make that money? It's not COUNTED b/c it wasn't EARNED yet.

NOW, if you want to say there has been a change in CIRCUMSTANCE, where he now has a higher paying job? Then THAT might be a valid ground on which to base your case. Since the increase is 30%+ of what he WAS making.

If you're going to make a case, make it on FACT, not this made up bullshyt of per diems and another $55K a year. I am a custodial parent female, who like Gr8 and Google, got shyt for support at time of divorce. Like Google, my ex was in Self-Support Reserve status at time of divorce.

Don't ABUSE the system, if you're going to USE it, use it LEGALLY and FAIRLY. Nothing will gain you enemies here faster than trying to strong arm someone out of money based on made up stuff while YOU sit home and DON'T WORK and using totally bullshyt excuses to do so.

Just sayin'....


Tweeby
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:02 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

[quote]well your wrong and the lawyer proved it. the money was already in place, and i'm not dense. people just can't talk nice to people anymore.what a shame [/quote]

Well lets see how many groups of people you managed to upset.

All Dads
The military especially anyone not stationed in the US
Working Mothers (because it is so much better not to have your child in childcare)
SAHM (because they don't want to be viewed what you are doing)
lawyers..well lawyers don't count (Sorry Maury ;P )

Did I miss any?


Sherron
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:03 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

"Did I miss any? "
Naaaa, I think you're doing fine.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 11:14 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

can someone tell me if i should have received that cssa document while i was in court, or was it supposed to be sent to me. and i don't care who i upset ,i'm looking out for my sons well being not any body else .. .period......if people can't help without always being critical of something ,then don't bother..no one is perfect in this world, no one.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:33 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

If you were looking out for your son's well being? YOU would get off YOUR arse and get a DAMN JOB!!!

Soo, you will get no sympathy from anyone here my dear.

Ask your lawyer about the document. That's what you pay him or her for.


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:33 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Every year, the soldier got a statement that showed the value of the benefits, housing, health insurance, comissarry and AFFEs savings, and they put a value on it. In fact they used to show you what your actual compensation was with everythign totaled. No one ever suggested it should be counted in CS calculations. I was only clearing up the fact that it is not free.

And it is not free. It is a part of the compensation, just like salary. Of course there are the co pays, and deductibles as well, which definitely cost out of pocket. it just the whole idea of free health care is laughable.


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:36 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Sigh...I think I was pretty clear in my original post...it's free, as in the military member doesn't pay for it. Just as my dental insurance is free, as in the employee doesn't pay for it.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/23/09 11:40 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

all i asked was should i have received this cssa in my hand by law....thank you....

Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:41 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

Yes, you were very clear, as was I.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:44 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]all i asked was should i have received this cssa in my hand by law....thank you.... [/quote]

In a DIVORCE, which is all I can speak to.. YES, you should have been given an ACTUAL HARD COPY of the document to which I provided you a link. It should be part of the packet, and is typically given at the time the final order is issued. So when your lawyer sends you a copy of the final decree, it should come with the CSSA as well. UNLESS, you were provided it when you were going through the issuing of other documents. In my case, I handed it to my ex as part of the signing of all the documents, including our Stipulation which we signed and notarized together. I handed it to him in front of the notary, who also signed as a witness to SEEING me hand him the CSSA document.


youngatheart
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:47 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote]all i asked was should i have received this cssa in my hand by law....thank you.... [/quote]

I wasn't speaking to you.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 11:49 AM
Re: So, what DO you DO?

[quote][quote]all i asked was should i have received this cssa in my hand by law....thank you.... [/quote]

I wasn't speaking to you. [/quote]

Newbie = Quick Reply ;)


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 12:08 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

To the best of my knowledge it is based on PRIOR YEARS W-2s. The current stubs only back that up. If they didn't exist, they would go based on prior year. Since, at the time of the CS request, he did NOT make that money? It's not COUNTED b/c it wasn't EARNED yet.

NOW, if you want to say there has been a change in CIRCUMSTANCE, where he now has a higher paying job? Then THAT might be a valid ground on which to base your case. Since the increase is 30%+ of what he WAS making.
_________________________________________________________

This is correct. I would still have her check her CO and make sure she didn't sign something saying that the CSSA was given to her.

Regardless, she can go in and ASK for a modification based on change of circumstances- child's needs have increased (BM uses that every time) and increased income. Since it has been three years out, maybe they will give it to her.


preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 12:16 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

[quote]To the best of my knowledge it is based on PRIOR YEARS W-2s. The current stubs only back that up. If they didn't exist, they would go based on prior year. Since, at the time of the CS request, he did NOT make that money? It's not COUNTED b/c it wasn't EARNED yet.

NOW, if you want to say there has been a change in CIRCUMSTANCE, where he now has a higher paying job? Then THAT might be a valid ground on which to base your case. Since the increase is 30%+ of what he WAS making.
_________________________________________________________

This is correct. I would still have her check her CO and make sure she didn't sign something saying that the CSSA was given to her.

-------------->> I'd like to know what exactly she DOES have. Is this a Stipulation? Was she married? What exactly IS the deal? If she signed a Stipulation? Then the standard wording in that includes the acknowledgement (at least from any I have seen) that you have seen and received a COPY OF the CSSA. That's part of the standard verbiage. Not sure if it is with Child Support only (no divorce) agreements. I can't speak to that.. not sure you can either?? I can't remember what my girlfriend's said? I thought it was also that "standard" verbiage? But I wouldn't swear to that.

Regardless, she can go in and ASK for a modification based on change of circumstances- child's needs have increased (BM uses that every time) and increased income. Since it has been three years out, maybe they will give it to her. [/quote]

---------------------->>> Mmmmm... non working mom? Going after a guy who is currently stationed overseas? I think that's gonna be a toughhhh sell. She has also not mentioned WHERE she lives in NY. That might sway me ;) The counties you're familiar with seem to give out mods like candy to babies, the ones I am, they're tightwads ;)


Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 12:25 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

---------------------->>> Mmmmm... non working mom? Going after a guy who is currently stationed overseas? I think that's gonna be a toughhhh sell. She has also not mentioned WHERE she lives in NY. That might sway me ;) The counties you're familiar with seem to give out mods like candy to babies, the ones I am, they're tightwads ;)

___________________________________________________________

I think you might be right on that one too, considering he is out of the country. I think it would be hard to sell, she can try it-- I guess if anything it will just be a waste of time.

Now, as for the divorce decree, yes in there. As for CS modifications- in there. So they are a modification to the divorce decree, at a CS hearing.


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 01:33 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

She can file it. He has to actually petition for it to be delayed. It can be handled when he gets back. Knowing NY, it might be worthwhile because as long as they are looking to raise revenue, all kinds of fees will go up. Even the SCRA has its limits, it cannot be delayed indefinitely.

I think the right thing to do would be to file, and inform him you are filing, so he can request the delay, and it is handled as soon as he returns.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:31 PM
Re:

It never worked that way for us. When the courts found out we were overseas the judge/court would not touch the case...at all. We never had to petition for jack...in fact the CSE lawyer is the one who said they would not touch the case (she was looking for a reduction).

She can file, but he would still have to be served. Again once they found out he was overseas I don't think there is much they can do.


Miranda
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 05:33 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

She stipulated a 2K a year reduction for travel costs. So it seems the amount she is getting is what she should be getting off of 40K.

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 06:45 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

[quote]She stipulated a 2K a year reduction for travel costs. So it seems the amount she is getting is what she should be getting off of 40K. [/quote]

That's basically the net result I came to :)

She signed it, she agreed to it, the phrase "S.O.L." comes to mind.

I also think she has BIG brass balls bytching about HIM "lying" about ANYTHING when she's not even SUPPORTING her child.. herself. Personally? I think she would get laughed out of court so fast it would be embarassing. I don't know that I'd subject myself to that level of embarassment but, some people don't know any better ;)


Redlegg
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:16 PM
Re:

That makes sense, you would not have to request protection unless you were served. it is good to see some courts take it upon themselves to make sure the service member is protected and not even make them go through the motions.

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:25 PM
Re:

Do people really get served for CS modifications/hearings? H never has. He gets a paper in the mail with a date for a hearing for CS modification. There is no delivery confirmation/signature attached to it. Just a letter from the court with the time and date and a financial affidavit to fill out and bring with you to court.

Cassie23
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/23/09 07:27 PM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

I also think she has BIG brass balls bytching about HIM "lying" about ANYTHING when she's not even SUPPORTING her child.. herself. Personally? I think she would get laughed out of court so fast it would be embarassing. I don't know that I'd subject myself to that level of embarassment but, some people don't know any better ;)
_________________________________________________________

I think him being overseas will hurt her because how can he be there to SHOW them his most recent W-2?

As for her not working, every time BM was in court for modifications she wasn't working and she was pregnant with the new guy in court with her. Didn't stop the magistrate from giving her an increase. But then again I really hate that magistrate.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 07:55 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

that's the net you came to, when before you said there is a loophole in the cssa. well i never received and/or signed for such a document... so which is it......thank you

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 08:26 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

[quote]that's the net you came to, when before you said there is a loophole in the cssa. well i never received and/or signed for such a document... so which is it......thank you [/quote]

sighhhhh.. if you have an AGREEMENT and it has the STANDARD CSSA WORDING IN IT?? Then you DID sign for it. And you are SOL.

And, AGAIN, you have not stated whether you are DIVORCED or this is just a support order. I believe the CSSA wording is in a non-married situation court order as well BUT that I do not know for fact.

On a PURELY personal level? I think you're a greedy little girl who should get off her a$$ and GET.A.J-O-B and stop looking for your baby daddy or whatever he is to pay your way. You're obviously a total leech.. living off baby daddy.. living off mom and dad. YOU have a child now. GET.A.J-O-B. That is YOUR responsibility. NOT your parents.

Frankly? It's custodial parent mothers like YOU, who give the rest of us? A bad name.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 09:25 AM
Re: So he DIDN'T lie...

yes i'am divorced, and he's not paying my way, he's supposed to be paying his son's way. and if you think a man should only pay $9.85 a day to support his son then there is something wrong with your thinking. it seems, except for a few that you's all have the mouth on this forum. it would be nice if you could all speak with a little respect for others. if you know so much about the cssa you certainly aren't showing it, saying one thing then another ,oh and another thing, you probably don't know how italian families are, but it's all for one, and one for all. i thank god i have my parents to help me till i get on my feet again. and my parents are glad i'm not on welfare or any of that crap. you all have a good life....thanks

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 10:23 AM
You need help getting on your feet?

Put down the BON BONS and turn off the TV and GET A FVCKING JOB!

cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 11:01 AM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

guess you can't talk without using the F word, isn't that a shame. you guys think that a stay at home mom does nothing else but watch tv, and eat. that just shows how smart you think you are. i feel sorry for people like you because the loudest person in a room is the weakest person in the room. so if you think your a great dad that's fine. but don't think for a minute that i'm not a good mother to my son, and always will be.

Sherron
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 11:04 AM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

" and if you think a man should only pay $9.85 a day to support his son then there is something wrong with your thinking."
It's $9.85 more than you contribute, no?


cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 11:22 AM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

it does not matter what i give. it's the law that says he must support his son. so even if i was lucky enough to get a job tomorrow, that still does not change his obligation one bit. ask anyone you want. if i made more then him then it would be divided and the 17% would come from that.otherwise the non custodial parent pays for the support, be it man or woman

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 11:25 AM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

Nice justification. So he should pay MORE, cause you are too lazy to work, and if you DID work, that wouldn't change anything.

You are a piece of CRAP, who gives women a bad name. Support your kid, get a JOB, be a PARENT.


cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 11:54 AM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

now you are annoying stupid, i'm not asking for anymore then what's supposed to be for my son. but you's all can't get that thru your thick heads. i only came on this forum, thinking i could get some legal advice, but i see i was very wrong about that. iguess i'll have to search elsewhere...but thanks just the same..............

gr8Dad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 11:57 AM
You GOT your advice...

...you don't LIKE it.

He is paying EXACTLY what he is supposed to, according to what YOU agreed to. He should be paying about $500 a month, he is paying $300 a month, which is $500 a month minus the $200 a month travel allowance YOU agreed to.

Want to CHANGE it, take it to court, but you will, BY law, have to wait until he is back from overseas.

Got that? THAT is the LAW, sorry you don't LIKE it, but you AGREED to it.

Need more money? Get off your ass and WORK for it, like HE does.


Arden
(old hand)
11/25/09 12:31 PM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

it does not matter what i give.
++++++++++++++

Sure it does. Break it down for us, dollar for dollar on a typical month what exactly do you spend his support on. How much do you give your parents a month for your child's upkeep? Just exactly what do you spend the dollars on and why do you need more? What is your plan for getting on your feet, when your plan does not include getting a job?


googledad
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 12:51 PM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

Simple , go to your local Family Court Clerk and get a Petition To Modify ( or download one form the NYS Unified Courts website ) . Follow the instructions and submit the petition and all supporting documentation ( my county requires 4 copies of each ) . Your county child support services MAY assist you if you prefer . The court will send a letter to the NCP ( legal service is not required ) with the date/time of the initial hearing . The SSCRA may/may not apply as a personal appearance is not required , testimony may be allowed telephonically .

preemiemom
(Carpal \'Tunnel)
11/25/09 03:12 PM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

Hello!!!!! You EACH are supposed to pay. Pro-rata SHARE. GET A JOB!! Support your child!!! It isn't that complicated...really.

cherokee
(newbie)
11/25/09 05:08 PM
Re: You need help getting on your feet?

preemie, did you get my private message?


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