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gr8Dad
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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: Miranda]
      #708160 - 11/21/10 08:13 AM

"Men want women to stay home and take care of the house and children because it makes their lives easier, yet they want to bitchh about it when it comes to divorce and then they have to pay alimony."

And women want to stay home and care for the house and kids, because it is easier, and has very little "standards" or supervision (ie, they can do what they want with little oversight), and then want to bytch when it doesn't "pay" very well.

Hey, I am all for alimony is some cases, but if you want to COLLECT from the marriage, you should have to prove the other party did something WRONG. And that is something I think many women do not understand. Most men I know do not have a problem with "cheaters" getting screwed by alimony. What we have a problem with is a woman who CAUSES the downfall of the marriage, and then wants to collect on their actions.

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: gr8Dad]
      #708168 - 11/21/10 08:35 AM

I can kind of understand how you think on this, Gr8. It does not seem right for a cheating woman to get alimony. But what happens if the husband cheats...do you think he should pay her alimony?

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: english7]
      #708173 - 11/21/10 09:05 AM

Yes. I think the one that causes the violation of the "contract" should not also be able to BENEFIT from that violation. Myself, hanz (I do not know yerna's story) and a few other men on this board have had to pay alimony to women who were DIRECTLY responsibile for the collapse of the marriage.

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: gr8Dad]
      #708213 - 11/21/10 10:42 AM

Hey, I am all for alimony is some cases, but if you want to COLLECT from the marriage, you should have to prove the other party did something WRONG. And that is something I think many women do not understand. Most men I know do not have a problem with "cheaters" getting screwed by alimony. What we have a problem with is a woman who CAUSES the downfall of the marriage, and then wants to collect on their actions.

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No I disagree. You just had your "contract" argument below and this situation is no different. If a husband and wife decide to have 4 children in 8 years and the wife is to stay home and child rear and then I don't understand why there is such an alimony shocker when it comes to divorce.

He married her, he chose this lifestyle.

Now I totally do not agree with all alimony scenarios, when women cheat, they both parties are gainfully employed, I don't agree with 20 year alimony payments, etc. but in some cases short term rehabilitative alimony is warranted.

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: Miranda]
      #708236 - 11/21/10 11:08 AM

"If a husband and wife decide to have 4 children in 8 years and the wife is to stay home and child rear and then I don't understand why there is such an alimony shocker when it comes to divorce."

And in some cases, I agree. But not if the one SEEKING alimony caused the divorce through basic means (such as cheating or abuse). Sorry, but you cannot cause the downfall of a company, leave the company, stop working for them, and still expect them to PAY you.

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: english7]
      #708418 - 11/22/10 09:35 AM

[quote]"Marriage will continue to decline until modern women return to family values and can offer something to a man besides forced alimony. "

You mean women should stay at home, take care of their husbands and children, give up a career to do so....and then when their marriage falls apart, they should be able to support themselves with no advanced education or employment history? That is what your "return to family values" means. Sorry to be rude, but you're warped. :/ [/quote]

Let me explain my definition of family values since it appears there is no longer a universal definition. My definition has nothing to do with staying home or raising kids. My definition is that you don't sleep around while you are married. pretty simple. Not sure how to make that any clearer.


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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: hanzblinx]
      #708453 - 11/22/10 10:23 AM

You were very clear when you said " women need to return to traditional family values". Don't back peddle now. Women traditionally stayed home and reared children and did not work. It seemed pretty clear to me.

If you google "women returning to traditional family values" nothing comes up about cheating or faithfulness. You know what comes up Mr. Loud and Clear? Gender roles. Duh.

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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: Miranda]
      #708458 - 11/22/10 10:30 AM

I just googled it and this popped up at the top:

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_values

"Promotion of "traditional marriage" and opposition to sex outside of conventional marriage, including pre-marital sex, adultery, polygamy, bestiality, and incest."

Like I said, my theory is that marriage is dying because women sleep around after marriage, and men are starting to realize they get screwed during and after marriage so why bother?

Edited by hanzblinx (11/22/10 10:31 AM)


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Re: Forget Thxgiving, celebrate the demise of marriage [Re: hanzblinx]
      #708475 - 11/22/10 10:55 AM

I googled what you said "women return to family values" and these are the top 5 links:


[censored].colby.edu/academics_cs/courses/HI398/.../Women-s-Employment.pdf

[censored].mothersmovement.org/.../family_values/family_values.htm - Cached - Similar

[censored].timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/.../india.../article6788637.ece - Similar

[censored].springerlink.com/index/7276281R4165V071.pdf - Similar

[censored].isreview.org/issues/38/women_family.shtml - Cached - Similar

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      #708582 - 11/22/10 01:21 PM

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