gr8Dad
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"I would care only to see how the LOSS of income/CS/whatever you want to call it when they've been using it all along to benefit THEM affects their living."
So, if your ex is working, what is THAT money being spent on? And if they are using the child support for themselves, what are they using to feed the kid with?
"Oh Exhole signed his part back in October, as did I. Now we're waiting only on the court system/judge. It has NOTHING to do with either of us. I'm theorizing that his azzhole lawyer finally got tired of dealing with him and told him to sign off on it -- that if we ended up in court HE could be paying ME CS, as DS was going to ask to live with me as CP."
Do you realize was a CVNT you sound like? "Exhole" did what hye was supposed to do. He "azzhole" lawyer did what HE was supposed to do...so why are you RANTING about THEM? They DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.
"And believe me, I have been EVER so grateful that I have a college education and a good job so I can SUPPORT two households"
You are NOT supporting two households, you are just paying your child support, get over it.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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c_jane
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Reged: 04/06/07
Posts: 1759
Loc: In the Great State of Texas
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25% of my salary AFTER taxes goes to Exhole's house. I would CERTAINLY say I am SUPPORTING 2 households, as by YOUR own words and Sherron's figuring, at LEAST $350/month was being absorbed into the household.
IF DS had ANY KIND of savings account, bonds, or money set aside for COLLEGE in any form or fashion by FOTY (EVEN a life insurance policy that could be cashed in) I would SHUT UP in a heartbeat. He has NOTHING from that house. Nada, zip, zilch, zero. I don't know any other way to say it.
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John Constantine: God's a kid with an ant farm.... He's not planning anything.
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BeachBabeRN
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Reged: 01/16/06
Posts: 3049
Loc: VA for 21 years, NC forever!
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My kids don't have that either c_jane -- it's not required in any state, I don't believe. Should you stop paying child support, are you planning to do that for your child?
One of my sons went into the Marine Corps. One I had to throw out for stealing from me. Both of them could have expected a free ride at a local community college for two years but they would have had to work full time to support their vehicles and insurance. The oldest one doesn't need it and the younger one has turned out just fine.
By your definition, my kids have **nothing** from my house. Both of them have turned out well **in the long run for my youngest** My child support was used to support the house that they lived in **$1100 per month** pay the utilities that they contributed to, the food they consumed, the gas in their cars, their insurance.....and they're both grateful that they had that as I WORKED full time and contributed to their standard of living.
My ex paid nothing near 25% of his net income. I however, put 100% of my net income into things that included my children and I didn't have spare money to put away for college, life insurance, bonds, or savings accounts for my kids.
If your kid gets a job at 16, are you also going to argue that HIS income should be calculated into your child support?
My kids with **nothing** are doing just fine. I'm sure that your kid will also. Children are **owed** NOTHING by their parents. They are provided with the things they need to live their life. That's called raising a child. Many parents can't afford to pay for college c_jane and rely on scholarships, working, financial aid and loans. If they come from an intact family, have they gotten **NOTHING** from that house?
I'd argue that they have, it's just not tangible.
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Sherron
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"No, because as every MALE is told on here, child support is not based on the actual costs of raisin.g a child, but on a percentage of income.
What I am wondering is, is it her vagina or her breasts that entitle her to special treatment ny the board for HER attitude towards child support?"
And suddenly, it's only about percentage, and what I say must be because of her vagina or breasts, too funny. Do you really want to discuss this gender neutrality you're trying to claim for yourself...
In case ya missed it, I didn't chime in until it this came up
"You really think that amount of money takes care of a teenager? You're very sadly mistaken."
You want to redirect the discussion to "expenses don't matter because it's a percentage", fine by me... but that doesn't change that you were only able to account for about $500 of total expenses. The ncp pays $850, the cp contributes $0 and absorbs $350 into the household budget, but somehow her ex is not better off for it... I hope your math adds up better than that when it comes to your household budget.
Still waiting for a line by line breakdown on how someone spends $1,700 on one teenager.
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Sherron
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"My kids don't have that either c_jane"
You raised twice the kids with less cs, I don't think your and c_jane's situations are comparable.
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BeachBabeRN
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I think they are, because my ex said the same things -- that the kids have nothing -- when what they have are morals, values, integrity**late start on that for my youngest** character and the strength to make good choices. My oldest made the choice to defend our country. My youngest, while having some issues well known to some here, has paid his own way, without help from mom since I threw him out. And I did throw him out immediately when I found out he was stealing from me -- to the tune of about $10,000 in jewelry, both mine and heirloom. He has received a grand total of $50 from me in the now two years that he hasn't lived with me.
Did we go on vacations? Sure we did and I felt no guilt at using that money for that, if I had to as I paid out for everything else in the house. Did I hand my kids their CS every month? Oh H*LL no.
Child support is not necessarily money spent DIRECTLY on a child. The indirect expenses -- housing, utilities -- are factored into that. The additional money that is spent on food, gas, insurance -- that counts. Mileage on vehicles and maintenance on the vehicle used to transport said child.
My figure was based on the actual expenses in 1993 that were being paid -- halved. Never went for more. Never GOT ten cents extra. Had to chase my ex for payment every month. He resented EVERY PENNY that he spent to help support his kids while supporting his stripper girlfriend and HER two kids. When I threw my son out, my son never got that money -- so much for obligations and morals.
Both directly and indirectly, I spent about.....$3000 on my kids and myself per month. It's the cost for raising kids that I accepted to give them a solid middle class upbringing. Has my standard of living changed since they don't live with me? Of course it has -- lower utilities, less food cost, no car insurance, no extra cell phones, no school things......my standard of living has increased substantially and I've not had that child support money for just about exactly two years. Neither has my child -- which I'll resent forever.
I don't understand not wanting to help support your child. To me, there's simply no choice about it. Male or female.
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gr8Dad
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Odd how many questions you have for me, when what you are arguing is that c_jane's child support is in excess of the needs of the child, despite the FACT that you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what she pays in support, LOL.
Yes, I mentioned that the amount didn't support a teenager, based on the average for her claims, which amounted to $555. So I guess we are only $55 away, right? Of course, if you use the asinine figures she wants, that the child only needs $50 worth of clothes a month (jeans are $20 a pair, most back to school only shopping involves several hundred dollars for school clothing alone), that a 15 year old boy doesn't increase the WATER bill is simply ridiculous.
BUT...as EVERY man is told, the ACTUAL COST does not matter. It is a percentage of income. Yet you are STILL defending her claims (which is ESPECIALLY odd, since she has PROVEN to be a liar, and thinks lying to the group and laughing about it is funny...just sayin') that she is supporting ANOTHER household with her child support. Which is patently FALSE.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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Sherron
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Reged: 11/25/06
Posts: 20167
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"Yet you are STILL defending her claims"
Actually, the main point I was making was that I disagree that cs in the amount of $750, $850 a month is "NOT a lot of money" or "a pittance". It's also only the ncp's share... but, whoever truly feels that way is always free to return the cs they've received, doesn't sound like they will miss it. **shrugs**
"which is ESPECIALLY odd, since she has PROVEN to be a liar"
**chucklesnort**
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finz
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Reged: 06/17/08
Posts: 6481
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[quote]"Larger house" -- Nope, doesn't fly. EVERY home in this subdivision has 3 bedrooms or more. His house has 3 bedrooms; my house has 3 bedrooms. So there goes the 'bigger house' justification.
And I AM getting rid of it entirely. I'll be sure and let you know how Exhole gets along with OUT my CS. If this paperwork ever gets signed. Been waiting now since I first filed in MAY. [/quote]
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Every home in THAT subdivision has 3 homes. Does EVERY house or apartment in your town/area have at least 3 bedrooms AND did you live there before you planned to get married/have kids ?
You've told us that you moved there after your ex had settled there because you wanted to be closer to ds. THAT costs you monthly.....unless your house is actually the cheapest housing option in your whole area.
I'm prepping for my divorce now and trying to figure out my housing options. This will be after both kids turn 18, so CS isn't an issue. Having space for the kids will still be an issue. I will move to a less pricey area. It would be A LOT cheaper for me to find a nice one bedroom apartment or condo than it will cost me to get at least a 2 bedroom house with a backyard for ys's dog. If that house doesn't have a fenced in back yard and I have to pay $5,000 to fence it in, that's MORE money spent because of ys. If it was just me, I would really have wanted a cute little TAB camper that could be towed by any car. Instead, I have a 23 foot travel trailer (at twice the cost of the TAB) and have to have a vehicle with adequate towing power. That means gas guzzler instead of a car that would be more economical. There are MANY extra costs of having kids.
In your case, you also have to add in the legal costs of fighting over your ds.
No one hear has suggested that they think your ex is also contributing $750/month to raising the boy.....or even that your ex hasn't used $200 some months from the CS fund to pay his electric bill. It's your contention that the CS supports their whole family, as if they all live off of ONLY your CS amount, that sounds ridiculous.
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gr8Dad
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Thank you.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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