yregna
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After divorce. THE CHILDREN ARE NOT YOURS, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO SEE THEM, NO RIGHTS TO MAKE ANY DECISION REGARDING THE CHILDREN AT ALL. And if you think you are a great father and deserve custody, the court system doesn't give a $hit about that, you get treated EXACTLY the same as absentee father's who screw multiple women and make multiple children they don't want to pay for...
YOU ONLY HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO PAY, AND THE COURT SYSTEM WILL HELP YOUR EX ENFORCE THOSE OBLIGATIONS IN EVERY WAY AND AT YOUR EXPENSE.
If a man thinks he has a right to visitation, he finds out soon enough the court system doesn't give a $hit about his visitation. The court is VERY interested in making him pay and pay and pay. Doesn't matter a bit where the money goes or what it is used for...
This article is no surprise at all, the surprise is it doesn't happen more often. Go out in the wild and take away any animals offspring, back that animal into a corner and see what happens...
SEAL BEACH, Calif. (AP) — Every hair-dressing station was full at Salon Meritage Wednesday when a gunman burst through the door and began shooting, sending terrified customers diving for cover in the upscale salon tucked just blocks from the beach in this quaint seaside town. The shooter then stepped outside, shot a man sitting in a truck in the parking lot and sped off.
Six women and two men died. Their identities were not officially released but owner Randy Fannin was among the dead, his niece, Tami Scarcella, told the Los Angeles Times.
A woman who was wounded in the rampage remained in critical condition Thursday, police said.
Sgt. Steve Bowles told reporters the woman was still hospitalized but was showing some improvement. Her name was not released.
A woman who gave her name only as Cindy told the Orange County Register that she was in the salon, having her hair colored, when the gunman came in, went up to a woman stylist and fired.
At first, the customer said she thought it was a Halloween prank.
Then the man shot a woman who was having her hair shampooed, and then shot the salon owner, who was coloring Cindy's hair, she said.
"I just kept hearing boom, boom, boom, boom," she said. "I ran out. I didn't see his face. I just saw the gun in his hand and him shoot (everybody)."
Cindy said she ran next door to another business, where she went Cindy said she ran next door to another business, where she went into the bathroom, closed the door and turned out the light.
"There was like a 'pop pop' ... and my receptionist screamed out, 'He just shot that man' and we all went into the bathroom and called 911," said Kimberly Criswell, who owns a salon two doors away and knew many hairstylists at Salon Meritage. "I'm sure I've lost some friends today."
Police arrested 42-year-old Scott Dekraai about a half-mile from the scene. He did not struggle, police said.
The gunman appeared to have worn body armor and had several guns, police and witnesses said.
Police did not release a motive for the shooting. However, court records and acquaintances said he and his ex-wife, Michelle Fournier Dekraai, of Huntington Beach, who worked at the salon as a licensed cosmetologist, had been locked in a bitter custody battle over their son since he filed for divorce in 2007.
It was unclear whether Fournier was among those killed.
Dekraai was seeking full custody but a court-ordered review recommended against that, John Cate Jr., the attorney for Michelle Dekraai, told the Orange County Register.
Dekraai appeared for a court hearing in the case on Tuesday but it was merely a scheduling meeting, Cate said.
"Obviously, I saw no indication" that he was violent, the attorney said.
Lydia Sosa, a hairstylist who left two years ago to work at a new business with her friend, said the gunman's ex-wife spoke often of her relationship problems.
"They had been having bitter problems for years and I guess he just went in there and started shooting," Sosa said.
It was the worst mass shooting in Orange County history since July 12, 1976, when custodian Edward Allaway killed seven people and wounded two others at California State University, Fullerton. Allaway was convicted of murder but later found to be insane.
In all, one man and five women died at the salon, one man and one woman died after being transported to a nearby hospital. Glenn Zachman, who owns a video news-gathering service, said he arrived at the scene of the arrest shortly after police and saw they had placed plastic bags over the man's hands to preserve possible gunshot residue.
The man, in handcuffs, was placed in a patrol car and taken away about two-and-a-half hours after the shooting. A new white pickup truck that was believed to be his was parked on the modest residential street with its doors open.
The man was cooperative when officers, working from a description of the shooter, stopped him near the salon, Bowles said.
Shortly after he was arrested, police arrived at a house on Melody Lane in nearby Huntington Beach and escorted two women to a white car and then roped off the house with crime scene tape. The house is registered to Scott Dekraai.
Kari Salveson of Los Alamitos, who attended a service for the victims at SeaCoast Grace Church in Seal Beach, said she had known Michelle Dekraai for more than 10 years.
She said Michelle Dekraai made her every visit to the salon special.
"She could gab away. She was one of those girlfriends you could never get enough of. She made you smile and she made you laugh," Salveson said.
In Huntington Beach, people were shocked to learn that one of the friendliest men in the neighborhood had been arrested for the shootings.
Dekraai's neighbors described him as an outgoing man who invited them over for pool parties at the house he'd lived in for about six years. They said he doted on his son, playing catch with the boy in his yard.
Neighbors said they were aware Dekraai was in a custody battle with his ex-wife over their son, who neighbors said is 7 or 8 years old.
"It was a very difficult battle and he was trying to get more time" with his son, said Jo Cornhall, who lives across the street from Dekraai.
Next-door neighbor Stephanie Malchow, 29, said she was shocked when she saw the photo of the stocky man with thinning hair being detained by Seal Beach police.
"I'm like, no, not this neighbor, no way, he's the nicest guy ever," Malchow said.
Dekraai married his current wife two or three years ago in his backyard, said Malchow, who attended the wedding.
"He seemed very happy, he was just so happy he found someone new who loved his son," she said.
Dekraai walked with a limp after a tug boat accident that killed a fellow tug boat operator about two miles off the coast in 2007. Cornhall said he uses a brace for his leg.
Seal Beach has seen just one other homicide in the past four years, and Bowles said Wednesday's killings were the greatest tragedy to ever strike the seaside town.
The downtown is dotted with salons, restaurants, antique shops and boutiques clustered just blocks from a beach and pier popular with teenagers and young families. Many residents live and work within walking distance of the ocean and many businesses cater to Leisure World, a gated retirement community a few miles away that is home to 9,000 people.
"It's like Mayberry in the middle of Los Angeles," said Doyle Surratt, lead pastor of SeaCoast Grace Church. "We're small and all the kids go to school together."
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youngatheart
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Just proves she was right in trying to limit the kid's time with the psycho.
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DedicatedDad
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The untold story is this kind of thing happens all the time.....it's just not in the news as the highest percentage of male suicides is within the first year after divorce.
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youngatheart
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That would be 100% the responsibility of the men involved.
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yregna
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If you are female, saying this guy was just another psycho is really the easy way out, excellent excuse for your own behavior. I would do it 'cause the reality is really ugly. Just like very wealthy corporation owners, keep sellin' that trickle down theory to excuse your golden parachute.
Most women I talk to take this point of view. Very few know the reality, and most of them are the 2nd wives of a hubby who has children previous. THEY UNDERSTAND how biased the system is...But for all the rest of the female population, why knock a system that gives you everything, and crushes a guy you are divorced from to boot ? Most women have exactly the same opinion about alimony, women should get it no matter what the circumstances, and men shouldn't...its all good...
At least until an " incident " like this happens...
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DedicatedDad
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"That would be 100% the responsibility of the men involved."
The suicides? Yes. The loss of their home, children, families and future income? Not necessarily.
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Sherron
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"If you are female, saying this guy was just another psycho is really the easy way out, excellent excuse for your own behavior."
Not quite as good as the excuse "my ex-wife and the courts made me shoot and kill 8 random people", but hey...
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buckwheat
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You fukkers on here are all crazy, passing the blame for some hut job who killed a bunch of people, he had a major screw loose, he probably would have done something like this no matter what was going on in his life, it seems everyone on a divorce site is always looking for a scapegoat. Ole angry blames the system, someone else blames the ex.
This guy killed some people, the blame rest in him and no one else, dont you fags get it! He did it, not the system, not some freakin court fight, this guy did this of his own free will.
Why do all folks in divorce want to pass the buck to someone else for thier own faults, just crazy just crazy.
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youngatheart
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He made the decision to shoot people. Yes, he's a psycho. Doesn't matter how "wronged" he thinks he was.
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youngatheart
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I was speaking regarding the suicides. Sometimes [censored] things happen to us. We have the choice as to how we respond.
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