M5M5
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Just because someone has a different set of morals than you, doesn't mean it's "antiquated". JS.
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gr8Dad
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It is when the person claiming to HAVE those morals don't apply them to themselves and sleeps with a married man, then once it no longer affects them, holds everyone else to those morals. :shocked: :smirk:
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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youngatheart
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Yes...forcing one's morals on another is antiquated. We should be better than that as a society by now.
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Sherron
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"Yes...forcing one's morals on another is antiquated. We should be better than that as a society by now."
You don't try to "force" your morals on your kids? I alway thought most parents did. I usually don't see such a clause as an attempt to force morals on the ex-spouse, but as an agreement on what is best for the kids. The OP agreed to it at the time of the divorce and can either follow the clause or go back to court to change that portion of the degree.
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youngatheart
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My understanding of these clauses is that in a lot of areas they are standard from the courts. Meaning the parties didn't necessarily agree. And Yes, that is forcing ones morals on another adult.
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Renny
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With changing demographics such as intact two--parent families accounting for less than 50%, it becomes increasingly more difficult to define a moral family situation as one where the adults are married. Do the kids care if the mommy and daddy are married? Or is it enough that they are loved? I read a study recently tgt showed single parent families were no different as far as the childrens wellbeing from intact families.
Morals are indeed taught to children, especially by example. But I don't agree that marriage is intrinsically the moral or right thing to do. Just my 2 cents.
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Sherron
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"My understanding of these clauses is that in a lot of areas they are standard from the courts. Meaning the parties didn't necessarily agree. And Yes, that is forcing ones morals on another adult. "
If it's the courts doing it as standard clauses, yeah, I disagree with the government having that kind of input.
Maybe it's time to check with the ex... if this clause was forced on both of them, the ex may disagree with it as well, and since the only way it can really be enforced is if the ex brings it to court for contempt, it may be a moot concern. A lawyer may even be able to amend the divorce decree fairly cheaply to override it, if both parties agree.
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Sherron
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"I read a study recently tgt showed single parent families were no different as far as the childrens wellbeing from intact families. "
Can you share a link to this study, I'd be interested in reading it.
"Morals are indeed taught to children, especially by example. But I don't agree that marriage is intrinsically the moral or right thing to do. Just my 2 cents. "
I guess the question is, what do the two parents in the OP think...
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Renny
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[censored]://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2001.00697.x/full
I have to look for it again. I believe it was in the Journal of Marriage and Family.
It is a fact that less than 45% of families are intact families -- both biological parents. It also appears that poverty is the big problem with single mother families. Instability in families, even before divorce, appears to have adverse consequences, but these re not necessarily exacerbated by life ith a single parent later on. Very interesting to see the political and religious biases in the articles you can find googling. I ran across several references to Dan Quaile, the idiot VP, who made a disparaging comment about Murphy Brown and single parenting being a terrible example.
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Sherron
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Unfortunately, your link requires a subscription. I'm not sure how you can consolidate poverty being a big problem with single mother (parent?) families and there not being any difference in the children's well being between intact and single parent families. I believe poverty would be a factor concerning the children's well being.
Then again, I consider my family intact as it is.
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