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He has been at the airport, since 9am waiting on SS. The plane was delayed by and 1 1/2 hours, ok whatever. So plane lands at 10:30, NO FREAKING KID, H waited until the last people, wondered around looking for SS, can't find him. So he goes to the desk, lady says, let me check? Well SS missed the plane leaving Tampa this morning at 7am, so he is on the next flight, flight arrives at 12:30pm. H is freaking livid, not to mention the customers that are going to be pissed becasue their cars won't be done today!!!!
Not even a freaking phone call from the B!tch?
H says we are going to send her a freaking bill, she is to pay for all transportation.
So 6 hours for H's time, H's labor bills out at the shop at 72.64 an hour, that's 435.84 lost at the shop today, plus the 50.00 in gas to and from the airport.
So 485.84, guess we will be sending her a bill? .... and then file and take her to court.
H has had enough from BM, the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Very understandable to be really ticked off about that. Esp
But I don't think you have a case to take it to court. If it's not in the CO, she doesn't "have" to call you or reimburse you for anything.
She'll get her hand slapped and you'll pay court costs and more time away from your business.
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That sucks, but a trip to court would be pointless.
Sh!t happens. Most people will tell you that going to the airport....with the plan that everything will run right on time....is foolish. If the repairs and lost wages are that big of a deal, he should have covered one side or the other.
Not to mention...she'd never pay you back, and it's a small enough civil amount that she'll never be chased down for it.
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He could take her to Judge Judy or one of the other televised court shows. LOL:) It might be the only way he would ever get the money.
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be careful, judge judy may give her life. from the sounds of it, maybe BM does not even know he missed the flight, I don't see her doing more than a curbside drop off, but he could have called, if that is the case.
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Oh, and when you title it like that, there are supposed to be photographs for the ladies to enjoy :) :) :)
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Just talked to H, he has SS, Bm sent him to the airport by a freaking taxi, because she didn't have the gas to drive him???
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So BM didn't even know he wasn't on the plane. I know you guys didn't send him with any money, doubtful BM gave him any money. So how was he to call you?
Lesson learned...always send kids with phone cards when they travel.
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So glad you know that 50.00 we sent along and told him to hide, in case of an emergency was not really money.
Seems to me he could have called COLLECT???
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I can't believe you are not jumping up and down that bm sent a 15 1/2 year old to an airport by taxi?
I bet if my h had done that, you would have been all over that? But since it was a mom, no big deal... Right?
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Yeah, sending him in a taxi does sound a little strange. Not sure what's going on there. Does the kid know how to call collect? Not sure anyone ever taught him much of anything. Based on his manners when he first came to you, I wouldn't be suprised if he didn't know how.
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That's a good point...I don't think any of mine would know how to call collect. Maybe I should teach them that, though all three have cell phones, they may be in an area with a dead battery or no reception and that would be good information to have.
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Ya know...now that I think about it, I don't think my kids know how to call collect. I don't think they even know the option exists! Yikes!
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How can you base whether or not the kid can make a collect call on his manners?
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Would they just talk to someone in the airport and get help that way?
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How can you base whether or not the kid can make a collect call on his manners?
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I meant if his mom didn't take the time to teach him the very, very basics...like wash his face or brush his teeth, why would she take the time to teach him how to make a collect call?
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Would they just talk to someone in the airport and get help that way?
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He did. He managed to get himself on another flight after missing his first flight. That had to be pretty scarey for him. Maybe he was SO late, he barely made that 2nd flight and didn't have time to call dad. Maybe he was so flustered over the whole ordeal, he didn't think of it. I don't know...LOTS of things could have happened. I would withhold judgement until I talked to the boy to find out why he didn't call.
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They would...but I don't know that the airport would call us? Not sure how that works. We usually take them all the way to the gate, and then someone is there waiting when they land.
Today, YDS12 wants to do it on his own, so I will meet him at the baggage claim. I am nervous...he is not. He's flown many, many times and knows what to do, I am just usually there with him.
Obviously LeAnne's SS did something right, though, as he got himself checked in, on a later flight when he missed his, and arrived all on his own without an adult.
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I agree, susan...he did something right to get himself checked in and on the plane. Who knows what happened in the meantime? But at least he made it okay, though later than expected.
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Think it's time to file for CS?
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what I fail to comprehend is the amount of lack of parenting going on.....either that or I am overzealous but my kids knew address, home phone number and one other emergency phone number, 911, how to call collect and tie their shoes all when they were 4 yrs old.
what the hell are parents doing that they do not take an interest in them these days....they even know how to describe a direction to the house if the address can't be comprehended for some reason.
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Think it's time to file for CS?
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Good point, Cassie. Leanne, time to file for CS now that you can be reasonably confident that BM doesn't want him back??
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I am a bit confused. I know if there is an escort with an unaccompied minor with an escort information is filled out on both ends. Without an escort I still remember filling out paperwork at the airport.
I also have a problem with understanding how anyone can just let their kid fly without taking them to the airport. It was difficult for me to not pick up my D at the airport with her last visit home but she wanted her girlfriend to pick her up (D is over 18).
A plane being delayed or even having to get on a different flight needs a call to the other side to let them know, if possible. If your sitting on the plane and it is delayed that is one thing. But it sounds like her SS missed the origional flight and barely made the flight he was on. I'm not convienced that the teen was able to change the tickets without additional funds.
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After a certain age, you no longer have to fly them as "unaccompanied". I think it's 12 but I'm not sure.
yeah, pretty risky to send a 14/15 yo to the airport via taxi. However, I've flown into Tampa many, many times...it's a very "easy" airport.
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Well it took her 2 1/2 years to figure out she didn't want him back? I think she should have offered CS by now?
Kinda funny H paid her every month when she had him.
We just talked to CS enforcement the other day, they said, well you know she doesn't have any money, so why do you even want to try?
Just like when H talked to the lawyer about sending him back to BM, the first words out of the lawyers mouth, well you will need to pay CS and have insurance. I guess that only applies when you have a penis?
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You have to decide if it's worth the effort. She must have *some* money..how is she living? How did she pay for the taxi, etc...
If the CS guy is saying she's not going to pay, you have decide how much of your life you want consumed by trying to collect CS from her.
I think you should go for it, but you might not feel the same way...which would be understandable.
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I am ready to slam the B!tch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say, "I HATE THE [censored]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am tired of using "my" money to take up the slack for a child that "SHE" wanted, that "SHE" should be supporting.
2 1/2 more years, and H is taking me on one HECK of a vacation. That is if I don't die from all the stress this has caused me and will continue to cause me. My blood pressure has to sky high.
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Yes, the age varies by which airline you are flying, but after you pass that age, you just get on the plane with no additional paperwork. We usually use Southwest, and no paperwork required but they still give me a gate pass to go to the plane to get them on and off.
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Susan, you keep using logic where there is none. My husband once called several times to see if his son was coming and emailed. No response. He didn't know if he should go to the airport and almost didn't but decided not to as he hadn't spoken to son in months but we bought the ticket anyway. Son had a cell phone which according to him was for "family only." Funny when we caught him talking to friends - he looked embarassed with no good explaination. Husband couldn't find him and was about to leave after an hour of looking (we pay for the accompanied minor but he usually ducks them). Son calls mom who chews out my husband as son isn't allowed our home number ... lovely. Son was told to call mom instead of dad or myself and I was home. No one called to confirm, no one called to say he was on the plane, NOTHING. This happened several times.
And, yet, you keep telling Leanne she's the one who doesn't want this child, yet she and her husband are the one ones willing to parent him.
You are speaking from logic and reason... not all of us are lucky enough to have that from the other side.
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Are there even pay phones any more? I don' t think I have seen one in years...
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Leanne - you have him back... he had to go to realize you and your husband "want" him and the grass isn't greener on the other side and mom doesn't... he's safe, it's fine, it sucks she was inconsiderate... file for child support, full custody if you don't have it and move on. And, if his behavior doesn't improve, I'm with the suggestion of BOOT CAMP.
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We just talked to CS enforcement the other day, they said, well you know she doesn't have any money, so why do you even want to try?
It can't be that easy to get out of one's responsibility.
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[quote]After a certain age, you no longer have to fly them as "unaccompanied". I think it's 12 but I'm not sure.
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Until D left for the military at age 17, she flew as an unaccompied minor. The difference was whether there was an 'escort' by the airlines or not, depended on age. There was less paperwork without having an escort but I still had to fill out paperwork, this was just last year.
Last summer after D graduated from HS she took a trip with the school. I had to fill out paperwork that an adult (school advisor) was with her on the flight and she was not an unaccompied minor without an escort.
One thing I found amusing to a point, was that there were times I had to fight with the airlines to walk D to the gate when she was an unaccompied minor without an escort. Now that D is in the military, they offer the passes to the gate without us even asking.
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For military they are now allowing immediate family to the gate to send off and greet...a courtesy for soldiers/sailors who are on deployments. This is supposed to be just for military going on an overseas deployment, but I have taken the kids to meet their dad, and have not ever been asked where he is going or coming from. In fact, since I didnt change my last name they just assume I am still married to him and send me down...good cuz at the time I wouldn't have let the kids go alone...too young.
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It can't be that easy to get out of one's responsibility.
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sure it is.
just ask any number of the posters here about their cs experiences.
we can even pull up Katie's recent court visit if you don't think it is easy....Katie might say otherwise though...
if a person decides that they will not support their child then their really isn't but so much you can do to protect the cp except cross your fingers.
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We sent off for the papers from JOB CORPS, they will take him at 16. He will be 16 in Dec. this year.
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Job Corps is a very good program to utilize and at this point his options of a productive life is limited by his choices.
.....cheaper alternative than juvie boot camp...
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I think it will do him good. I have researched alot about it.
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motorboater
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Taxis cost more than gas, even $4.50 gas in a big ol SUV. Just sayin'.
But a taxi ride is no big deal. Unless it caused him to miss the plane or something, who cares?
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Sorry, but I think it's a big deal. When you are sending a 14/15 yo off on a plane, you should take them to the airport, make sure they get checked in ok and stay until the plane actually takes off...just in case the flight gets cancelled/delayed, etc... It's what any loving, responsible parent would do. (and my kids fly to Florida alone twice year...I've done this many, many, many times.)
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...SOMETHING from Susan that isn't LeAnne's fault...LMAO!
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I agree with Susan 100% on this one!
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[quote]Sorry, but I think it's a big deal. When you are sending a 14/15 yo off on a plane, you should take them to the airport, make sure they get checked in ok and stay until the plane actually takes off...just in case the flight gets cancelled/delayed, etc... It's what any loving, responsible parent would do. (and my kids fly to Florida alone twice year...I've done this many, many, many times.) [/quote]
Susan, Leanne isn't dealing with a loving, responsible parent and well... my husband's ex didn't even have the common sense to call us. Of course, we'd be there or run right over to the airport and not leave the child, but one would think to call and confirm the night before and after you put the child on the plane. But, when it comes to divorce and being bitter, not everyone is reasonable and logical (but I can't figure out what my husband's ex can be bitter about but that's another issue). Again, you are stating what you, I, Leanne, and most other poster's would do. This child's mother isn't a good or responsible mother or (a) this child would not be so screwed up, (b) living with Leanne and dad, and (c) would not have been thrown on a plane like he had been with no responsible adult caring except dad and Leanne (on the other hand, glad to see he could do it and make it HOME).
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[quote]For military they are now allowing immediate family to the gate to send off and greet...a courtesy for soldiers/sailors who are on deployments. This is supposed to be just for military going on an overseas deployment, but I have taken the kids to meet their dad, and have not ever been asked where he is going or coming from. In fact, since I didnt change my last name they just assume I am still married to him and send me down...good cuz at the time I wouldn't have let the kids go alone...too young. [/quote]
They used to give my husband a boarding pass and let him walk his son to the gate without any issues.
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[quote]We sent off for the papers from JOB CORPS, they will take him at 16. He will be 16 in Dec. this year. [/quote]
That sounds like a great plan, if they will take him and he's willing to go.
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DANG LEANNE...I was thinking that you were posting pics of your DH by you title of this post....
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Well, it probably would have helped the kid catch the plan, that's true. And maybe makes a parent feel like a more wonderful parent to do it.
But, no. Saying goodbye at the taxi stand vs. the airport gate doesn't exactly define how much you love your little high schooler.
Lots of kids that age, with actual loving parents, make it to and through airports and taxi rides and assorted other public transport by themselves every day.
Heck, my grandpa made it (illegally) over the border and into the U.S. marines and over to Europe in time for WWI by that age. Just sayin'. Kids are capable. At least they used to be :-)
(though maybe not THIS kid who missed the plane and didn't call...)
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Agreed...my kids fly alone frequently...they are well-seasoned travelers. But I would NEVER stick them in a taxi and send them on their way. In fact, I would never just drop them at the curb. We always escort to the plane. Today YDS wanted to meet me in baggage when I picked him up, which made me very nervous, but I agreed. He made it without a hitch. Called me four times, LOL. "I'm at the gate." "I'm walking to the train." "I'm on the train." "I'm off the train and coming up the escalator."
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Better lots of calls then no calls at all.
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No kidding:) It made me giggle. Mr. Independent, I can do it myself called mommy four times in ten minutes :) He does need me!!!!
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...but did you consider that the calls were made by him FOR you, not FOR him? LOL
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No, and I refuse to consider that possibility. My baby needs me!!!! LOL...
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