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Could this be true, could the US media have missed this. I am sure if this is true, it means nothing, it has nothing to do with Islam, nothing to see here, move along folks.
The alleged Fort Hood gunman had revealed a hard-line Islamist streak to acquaintances in the Muslim Community Center that he made his mosque. The Daily Beast reports.
Not long ago, inside the quiet library of the Muslim Community Center here in Silver Spring, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C., Golam Akhter, a local Bangladeshi-American civil engineer, 67, got into a fierce debate with a young Muslim doctor over how to interpret the concept of “jihad” within Islam. Akhter argued, “Jihad means an inner struggle, fighting against corruption and injustice.”
The young doctor responded. “That’s not a correct interpretation. Jihad means holy war. When your religion isn’t safe, you have to fight for it. If someone attacks you, you must fight them. That is jihad. You can kill someone who is harming you.”
A closer look reveals a complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam.
The conversation would be just another theological debate, interesting but irrelevant, except that the doctor was Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, the gunman in the tragic Fort Hood rampage. After being posted to Walter Reed Hospital as a psychiatrist, Hasan called the Muslim Community Center his local mosque. It’s just a short drive away from Walter Reed.
In interviews with the media, leaders of the Muslim Community Center have painted a portrait of Hasan as a quiet, unassuming Muslim more interested in finding a wife than debating world politics. They express shock at his killing spree and, appropriately, condemn it. But a closer look behind the doors of the mosque and inside the conversations between the engineer and the doctor reveal a more complex picture of a young first-generation American Muslim man living a life of dissonance between his identity as an American and his ideology as a Muslim who had accepted a literal, rigid interpretation of Islam, akin to the puritanical Wahhabi and Salafi interpretations of Islam that define the theology of militancy inside the Muslim world today, according to community members who knew Hasan.
“So many time I talked with him,” said Akhter, a community leader who is sort of like a mosque gadfly, challenging congregants to reject literal, rigid interpretations of Islam. “I was trying to modernize him. I tried my best. He used to hate America as a whole. He was more anti-American than American.”
Despite all the conversations, Akther said, “I couldn’t get through to him. He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim.”
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Allah Akbar
This was a terrible tragedy for all involved," Napolitano told reporters in the United Arab Emirates' capital Abu Dhabi. "Obviously, we object to -- and do not believe -- that anti-Muslim sentiment should emanate from this."
Napolitano said her agency is working with state and local groups to try to deflect any anti-Muslim anger after the Thursday attacks by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.
"This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith," she said after meeting with a group of women university students.
No need to look at any anti American sentiment that has left 13 dead.
So much for an investigation, nothing to see here, it had nothing to do islam, keep moving, nothing to see here.
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The President and his wife have visited wounded soldiers and their families after the mass shooting at Fort Hood.
They made their private visit to Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center on Friday night. In an e-mail the couple thanked Fort Hood's military leaders and hospital staff for the "amazing care they are providing."
An Army psychiatrist, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, is accused of killing 13 people and wounding 29 others in a shooting rampage Thursday at a Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood. Hasan is hospitalized, under guard.
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president obama? I heard that Bush and Laura went up there, but no Obama.
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...for the Catholics when the individual priests molested kids? Or for the Pro Lifers when the nut jobs blew up abortion clinics? Or, for that matter, for conservatives, in regard to the "yellers" at the town hall meetings?
Wow, it seems that only MUSLIMS get the, "It's not ALL of us, just a FEW of us..."
And have you seen the moderate and conservative muslims speak? FAR more concerned with how this will affect THEM than decrying the ACTIONS.
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...went under cover of secrecy. In THAT regard, it was truly a noble act, not a photo op. Obama either HAS gone or will go, but they announced intentions FAR in advance, just in case not ALL of the news photographers got the word to clear their schedule.
Can't wait for the photos of Obama and the shooter, where Obama apologizes for the American actions that "made" him do it.
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I don't think I said President Obama :) . I think the sitting President has a date set for this week to go to Fort Hood and attend a memorial service. The homeland security office now considers anyone who is a right winger, a veteran and numerous other groups as potential domestic terrorists. I do not think anyone wants to, or has lumped this shooter in the "all of islam is bad" category. That is not the case. what needs to be recognized is that there were signs. One of them happened to be his religion and how he spoke of it. It is just one indicator. The way I see it, the media, and the leadership are no different than the catholic church and the part they played in the molestation scandals. The religion is not the culprit, the church however, did nothing to stop it, they tried to hide it, and they did it to avoid scrutiny and scandal. Islam is not the culprit, but just as the entire catholic church needed to be looked at, we need to take a closer look at this and not turn our heads away from the fact that his religion played a part. I think when the catholic church issue came to light, there was probably not a need to give the baptist faith as intense scrutiny. The Catholic church was profiled, and rightly so, this is no different. maybe it is distasteful that terrorists seem to be muslim, but that does not change the fact that they are. There is no doubt these deaths could have been prevented, the real questions are why were they not prevented, and what steps are being taken to prevent this from happening again.
I do not believe for one second that President Obama will have a photo with the shooter, I do believe that the media and national leadership will go out of their way to make sure the emphasis is that this is not a terrorist attack. But what else is it, what is missing from this that makes Oklahoma city and 9/11 and the khobar towers, and The USS cole, and the african embassy bombings any different. When it happened in Arkansas, it was whitewashed the same way as this one will be. The United States of America may not be fighting a religious war, but one was fought that day on Fort Hood by an American Soldier.
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True. I wonder how come the media didn't focus on the christinity angle on the dude who wiped out all those people at the engineering [censored] in Orlando on Friday. I mean, I'm sure "God" made him do it just like Allah made this guy go through his killing spree.
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Allah did not make him do it. he just happened to invoke allahs name when he started firing. His previous history of anti US policy, and arguing with returning veterans did not make him do it, he did this all by himself.
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One person died in Orlando. Tragic, yes but unless the shooter screamed "Jesus is great!" before opening fire or posted online about martyring himself in the name of Christianity, I don't see how religion would even play a part in that story.
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If that's the case then, the US army isn't very good about figuring out which of its soldiers are about to go postal. The higher levels screwed up and they can take the blame for letting those soldiers die based on their lack of proactive approach to dealing with this guy effectively, just like it's Gny Sgt Hartman's fault that Pvt Pyle went psycho in Full Metal Jacket. He knew he'd created a nutjob.
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From Orlando.
Notice the same tendency to already start the mental deficiency type of defense, already building a defense for a heinous act. We cannot blame the economy or the company that let him go. But it does not take away from the fact that these are the type of circumstances that are a sign of a possible problem. if he had said good bye to friends and family before this, given away his furniture, had numerous conversations about how his employer was wrong, and it would be ok to seek revenge on them for their wrongs, then it would even be closer. Should we just whitewash his issues, and act like none of his life situations played a part, regardless if they are economic or religious.
"During a brief court appearance Saturday, Jason Rodriguez said nothing as a judge denied him bail. After the hearing his lawyer described him as a mentally ill man who fell victim to countless problems.
"This guy is a compilation of the front page of the entire year -- unemployment, foreclosure, bankruptcy, divorce -- all of the stresses," said the public defender, Bob Wesley. "He has been declining in mental health. There is no logic whatsoever, which points to a mental health case. It looks like a classic case of stress overload."
Wesley said when Rodriguez's marriage went sour he couldn't afford to pay the child support he owed for his 8-year-old son; h was nearly $90,000 behind on bills. Rodriguez eventually took a job at a Subway sandwich shop but struggled to get hours.
Rodriguez's former mother-in-law, America Holloway, said he was a schizophrenic who was constantly paranoid, blaming others for all of his woes and who always thought everyone disliked him."
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You are 100% right, the leadership failed at numerous levels to deal with this problem. Of course who will be the first to protest the solution? All in the name of political correctness. So at what point should we say, who leads the military, and what effect has that had on the current command climate?
If the National Command Authority does not like the solution, then the very leadership that is responsible for preventing this type of terrorist attack is tying the hands of the people who could be working more effectively to prevent it.
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It was reported in out local paper this morning that he was on a medical training programme last year and made 'anti-American' statements to his classmates. They complained to their superiors who didn't file offical complaints because they feared an 'anti-Muslim" smear campaign.
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More political correctness. Not doing the right thing because if they did, they would be denounced as bigots, racists or anti muslim. That is the same thing that is going on right now with healthcare. Throw out the race card at the opposition, to try to shut them up. The sky might not be falling, but nothing wrong with looking up.
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...gave them a reason to go after militias. Seems when it is a group they "want" to get, they use it as an excuse, when it is a "protected" group, it was an individual act.
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When Doctor Tiller was murdered, the governement (homeland Security) reaction was to provide more protection to abortion clinics and Doctors for fear of more attacks from the extremists in the anti abortion groups, and to warn about the extremists in these groups. When 13 soldiers are killed, the same people's reaction is to worry about backlash against the very group that the killer belonged to, and absolutely no warnings about the extremists in the same groups.
Sort of explains it in a nutshell. Sounds like the government is concerned about who they feel are the real victims in both cases. I wonder if you compare the number of soldiers killed in the US, in non war related attacks against them vs, the number of Abortion providers killed, if we would really see who needs the most protection.
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