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drug testing to get cs?
      #783405 - 04/18/12 09:10 PM

[censored]://[censored].huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/drug-testing-child-support-iowa-_n_1423489.html


Interesting topic to think about. No name calling, no creating fake names to debate.


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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: SRS]
      #783406 - 04/18/12 09:22 PM

I didnt read the entire article. But my CS is paid by a pot smoker. My CS is high, one of those amounts that makes peoples head explode. He is educated, and makes a very good living. He smokes pot. Big deal. I drink wine. Which is worse? Matter of opinion, I guess. Bottom line, Im not his employee. I dont take piss tests for money. BS...all...the...way. IMO.

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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: SRS]
      #783407 - 04/18/12 09:24 PM

All random drug testing is a violation of our fourth ammendment rights, one of the SPECIFIC reasons we left England's rule.

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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: SRS]
      #783412 - 04/18/12 10:07 PM

I don't see an issue with it personally. My ex wanted me to piss in a cup for child support? Whatever. Now, I don't do drugs. I rarely, if ever, drink. So it's just not a concern for me.

I'm accepting money from the guy, that's SUPPOSED to be used for the child. If there's a concern about that money be used for drugs and NOT the child? I really don't see the issue with demanding testing. And those tests, if positive, should be a basis for change of custody quite frankly. Now I suppose that poses a quandary if BOTH the payee AND the payor are both druggies.

I've become pretty strict on the concept of people being accountable and not getting something for nothing etc etc. And I guess if you're not doing anything wrong (and yes, drug use IS ILLEGAL) then you've got no worries. If you are? Well.. not for nothing? You're doing something you're not supposed to be so why SHOULDN'T you be held accountable?


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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: gr8Dad]
      #783414 - 04/18/12 10:25 PM

"All random drug testing is a violation of our fourth ammendment rights, one of the SPECIFIC reasons we left England's rule."

Do you favor welfare parents recieving $$$ to take a drug test before getting the check each month?

BTW, who is "we?" that left England based on drug testing?


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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: SRS]
      #783420 - 04/18/12 11:12 PM

What really seems weird about this, is why tie CS to it?

It should be tied directly to custody...use drugs, fail drug test, lose child.


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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: LexieBelle]
      #783421 - 04/18/12 11:15 PM

I dont know about other states but the state charges me to collect my support. 2% and then random fees here and there. I am suppose to pay them, and then go take drug tests? Who pays for that? Me? Him? The state? I love it when people say be accountable for child support. Who keeps track of that? My ex is forced to pay CS. If it wasnt for the state just taking it from him, he wouldnt pay it willingly. He doesnt see our son, he contributes NOTHING but child support, but I should have to go pee in a cup? I wonder if these sort of things would have support if it was breathalyzers on the weekend? When he doesnt show up for his court ordered time, what is his consequence? When our son is scanning the crowd for him at school events and he is not there? What is his punishment? Oh yeah thats right there isnt one. But I should feel ok with taking a drug test? I dont do drugs. But when they start making him be a parent...I will consider letting him know where child support goes and to pee in a cup.

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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: cutiepie]
      #783425 - 04/19/12 12:03 AM

"Do you favor welfare parents recieving $$$ to take a drug test before getting the check each month?"

I don't favor people receiving welfare for extended periods of time ANYWAY, but no, drug testing is a violation of our fourth amendment rights, and even welfare recipients have rights.

"BTW, who is "we?" that left England based on drug testing?"

Well, not DRUG TESTING, you idiot, PROTECTION FROM ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE with out PROBABLE cause or a WARRANT.

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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: gr8Dad]
      #783427 - 04/19/12 12:46 AM

The Fourth Amendment was put in place prior to the creation of welfare, which makes other people responsible for people who would otherwise NOT be their responsibility. Which is really veiled socialism. Which we were created a capitalistic society, not a socialistic one. Soooo, if we changed the rules of the basic concepts of what the country was founded on, why not modify other basic tenets?

If you're getting free money supplied by other citizens, FORCIBLY no less, why shouldn't those citizens have an expectation that who they give money to are drug-free?

So it's very simple. If you want free money? Then you, to GET that money, have to give something. You want a car? You have to give money. You rent an apartment? You have to sign a contract. In any other "get something from someone else" deal, you have to GIVE something. Why does welfare get a total bypass? Makes no sense.

And this is what has gone horribly wrong with our country.


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Re: drug testing to get cs? [Re: LexieBelle]
      #783432 - 04/19/12 05:27 AM

Anyone who receives benefits from any social programs would have to voluntarily agree to submit to drug testing, sort of like a condition of employment. There is a choice, and it seems reasonable to require drug testing. CS is not a voluntary program, many parents who pay it are forced to go through the state, as are the receiving parents. That is unreasonable.

bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220411pols_welfare_abuse_runs_deep/srvc=home&position=1

A convicted drug dealer who cops said wanted to use cash from his taxpayer-funded EBT card to post bail is the new face of welfare abuse, according to tough-minded lawmakers who are pushing the reform-resistant Patrick administration for a crackdown.

That is an article from Boston, and I do not know if he pays, or receives CS. It is just one example, it is not meant to represent all people who draw benefits, it is just one story out of millions. The majority of people who receive benefits probably do not use drugs, and testing should not be 100% monthly, just a random program that tests ten percent every month. It will not stop all fraud waste and abuse, but it will stop a lot. Yes there are ways to beat drug tests, the best way is abstinence, and we know that never works. But if the down side is the fourth amendment, I am not seeing it, no more than requiring insurance on your car is the same as requiring everyone to have health insurance.


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