Redlegg
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Or test no one..... it is easy to go from extreme to extreme. One of the reasons I do not like it for CS recipients or payers is because it is between two parents. The federal government regularly requires random drug testing as a condition of employment, that thing where you get money for doing something. You have the choice to not work there. Why not testing when you are getting money for doing nothing. The policy does not have to punitive in nature initially, you can have the three strikes concept. Just like employment for many areas, random urinalysis is required as one of the conditions.
You do not like the law in regards to drugs, but it is like immigration, should we enforce the laws on the books, or continually just nod our heads and look the other way. Change the law. It has been decriminalized in some states, and other states are reducing the severity of it. But do not ignore the law, work to change it. Would it be ok, if it was just opiates, or meth, or other drugs we don't like....This is not an argument about whether marijuana should be legal, it is about drug testing for CS, and people receiving assistance from the government, or drug testing in general, or the 4th amendment. One specific drug being illegal should not invalidate the concept.
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LexieBelle
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Purchasing and smoking weed IS ILLEGAL.
And to answer your later item, sure, why not? It's illegal, they shouldn't be doing it to begin with so sure, why not? Jailing wouldn't make sense, the jails would be overflowing, but hefty fines? Absolutely. Why not?
Now, I don't smoke weed. I rarely if ever drink and when I do nowadays if I finish half a glass of wine that would be a lot. I do smoke, but I'm down to 5 cigarettes a day and if they wanted to de-legalize it? Okay, I just won't smoke anymore. I'm not a "gotta smoke" smoker. Like when I go visit KK? We're there several days and I don't smoke at all for any of those days and I barely even notice it. I still smoke at all because I enjoy smoking, not because I "need" to smoke.
So fine, de-legalize all of it.. :)
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gr8Dad
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"Jailing wouldn't make sense, the jails would be overflowing, but hefty fines? Absolutely. Why not?"
So build more jails, I am sure you would pay higher taxes, but you're okay with that, right? Because we are enforcing the LAW, right? Do you see the double edged sword? You only want it enforced if it doesn't cause a PROBLEM to enforce it.
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gr8Dad
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Hey, here is a better idea, lets start SEARCHING the HOUSES of CP's and NCP's, to see if they have stolen anything, or bought anything stolen, maybe have illegal cable, maybe have some money they stashed, etc. I mean if we are okay with randomly searching your BLOOD or URINE for something illegal, why not extend it to your HOME, or your CAR, is it really any different?
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LexieBelle
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No, jail doesn't make sense for that crime. Fines do.
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LexieBelle
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Not practical. Blood/urine test is very easy, and hard to hide. You aren't going to find usage most effectively your way :-)
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gr8Dad
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Wait,. I am not talking about drug usage, I am talking about possibly stolen property, maybe illegal cable hook ups, maybe some hidden cash the IRS doesn't know about. I mean if we are going to start SEARCHING stuff, lets not limit it to ONE illegal act, lets encompass ALL of them.
Hey, we can call the group the "Special Services", maybe they could wear a little "SS" on armbands or something.
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googledad
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Right.
>>>>>>Yeah , I know , you were WRONG .
And Democrats would never sponsor 'idiot' bills...like Democratic Congressman Bob Brady's bill to ban 'cross-hairs'
>>>>>>>>> That should have the EXACT same effect as TWICE YEARLY drug tests for any CUSTODIAL PARENT .
maps or Democrat Nina Turner's bill that before getting a prescription for [censored] or other erectile dysfunction drugs, men would have to see a sex therapist, receive a cardiac stress test and get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency.
>>>>>>>>>> Clever actually , in response to the GOP " war on birth control " .
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googledad
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OMG, what a SHOCK, gd taking a NON political topic and turning it into a Republican bashing session...whodathunk?
>>>>>>>>> Yup , non-political , a story about a POLITICIAN submitting a BILL to the LEGISLATURE . Sure no POLITICS there .
Anyone else about tired of it?
>>>>>>>>>> I forgot , only whiny baggers are allowed to do it .
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LexieBelle
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Hm... not a bad idea :)
About the whole "SS" reference. The Na'zis were targeting people not due to anything truly illegal. Look, it's illegal to use drugs. I'll be honest. If the na'zis HAD targeted illegal drug users? And exterminated them? I'd stand up and CHEER. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I'm a hardass though. I'm a HUGE HUGE HUGE believer in the death penalty. I'm a HUGE HUGE HUGE believer in appropriate punishment for crime. Take a life? Lose yours. Steal something? Maybe you don't really need that hand after all. Absolutely. We're wayyyyy too lenient in this society. WAYYYYYY. And as a result? We have what we have.. Which is pathetic. Can't say that enough.. what we have become? IS PATHETIC. Absolutely. We're a joke, as a society, and as a country. We're so busy trying not to "offend" anyone, god freakin' forbid, we've become a self-absorbed, namby pamby PU$$Y of a country with a sad sad sad lot of citizens.. which is getting WORSE all the time.
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