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New photos RIGHT after the shooting show his bloody head, investigating officer states, ON THE STAND, that he has NO evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's statements, and NO evidence as to who started that fight.
And in TRUE "low class" fashion, the Martins claim his offer of regret that they lost their son as "self serving"...because he didn't say it SOONER. Yeah, like if he went to them BEFORE he was in court, the crowd wouldn't have torn him to SHREDS.
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You are right. He is walking right back to his cell. The hearing on "Stand your ground" has not been heard yet. afterward they were making comments ths SYG may not me granted as a defense. He put himself in a situation that may have been dangerous... According to his own statements.
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"He is walking right back to his cell."
Actuallty, he has been granted bail (which, if he is a member of the NRA, they will put it up), and they are merely working out the details, he is going home until trial.
"He put himself in a situation that may have been dangerous... According to his own statements."
By FOLLOWING someone in the gated community he lived in? Interesting theory, so if walking through your OWN neighborhood is placing yourself in a dangerous situation, wouldn't that mean TRAYVON was doing the same thing?
Bottom line, there is NO LAW against following someone through an area you have a FULL right to be in. I can follow you ALL DAY LONG, watch you at work, follow you in my car, etc etc etc, there is NOTHING you can do about it unless you can prove harrassment and get a COURT ORDER.
I REALLY do not understand this whole, "He was FOLLOWING him, so he CAUSED the confrontation". If someone was following ME, I would stay at a distance, and call the police if I was concerned. If I was, as some have said, BLACK and PREDISPOSED TO NOT CALL THE POLICE, I would stay at a distance and ASK why I was being followed. I would defend myslef ONLY when I needed to defend myself. There were (now verified by the testimony of the investigating officer) NO indications that Zimmerman TOUCHED Trayvon. There IS ample evidence that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman, and his ass got SHOT for it.
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BTW, if, as has been shown, Zimmerman shot Trayvon while Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the ground, "Stand Your Ground" will have ZERO impact, as that only means you don't HAVE to retreat. If you are UNABLE to retreat, self defense is legal in ALL states.
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[quote]You are right. He is walking right back to his cell. The hearing on "Stand your ground" has not been heard yet. afterward they were making comments ths SYG may not me granted as a defense. He put himself in a situation that may have been dangerous... According to his own statements. [/quote]
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I'm still waiting for the picture of the "white" man....
Where are Al and Jesse??
In all seriousness I do believe Zimmerman will get off because it is not 2nd Degree murder - they should have charged manslaughter if anything at all. Now evidence is coming out that shows there was an altercation to help bolster/prove self defense and/or stand your ground for Zimmerman and that Martin is/was not as innocent as so many want to make him out to be. The pictures of a 12 year old child being attacked by a 200 plus pound man did not help matters.
Why was the evidence not previously released, certainly would have helped calm (avoid) the media circus?
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Are you trying to imply that Gr8 is cutiepie?
Bwaahahahahah - Gr8 say what he wants as himself he doesn't need to hide behind another handle not to mention there are plenty here that will argue with him - he doesn't need to make someone up.
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LOL, I just caught that, didn't even CONSIDER it. Yeah, I really don't need a fake handle, enough people hate me on here without it, LMAO!
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New photos RIGHT after the shooting show his bloody head, investigating officer states, ON THE STAND, that he has NO evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's statements, and NO evidence as to who started that fight.
---> I guess testimony by the first officer on the scene wasn't good enough...probably because he was 'white'.
And in TRUE "low class" fashion, the Martins claim his offer of regret that they lost their son as "self serving"...because he didn't say it SOONER.
---> Actually...attorneys for Martin's parents said the apology was disingenuous.
Yeah, like if he went to them BEFORE he was in court, the crowd wouldn't have torn him to SHREDS.
---> And still could be, which is why is parents are in hiding (thanks to Spike Lee) and he will too. In fact, it's irony at it's best...a man accused of being a vigilante, having to hide from vigilantes.
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The hearing on "Stand your ground" has not been heard yet. afterward they were making comments ths SYG may not me granted as a defense.
---> But the bail hearing was today and he will be released tomorrow.
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Where are Al and Jesse??
---> Once the discovered that Zimmerman was Hispanic instead of White...they crawled back under the rocks.
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"nothing to contradict his story"
is not "His story can be substantiated by the evidence."
I would expect that the only person who can contradict the story would be an eyewitness or the medical examiner. Since it is POSSIBLE however unlikely that he had his head slammed into the ground but it left no mark on his skin. Ergo - "nothing to contradict" his story. I admit I only skimmed the story but I did not note that he had any proof of his injuries aside from the testimony of his wife and parents - who no matter how truthful won't be believed. That will not bode well for him unless the ME comes back in his favor (Trayvon was on top of the gun when it went off).
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abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/george-zimmerman-charged-jailed-16126443
ETA- Go to photo 2 in the slideshow
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""nothing to contradict his story"
is not "His story can be substantiated by the evidence."
Under our legal system, yes, they ARE the same thing. Zimmerman does not need to prove his innocence, the state has to prove his GUILT. Which means that they need evidence to prove that things did not occur as he stated.
" Since it is POSSIBLE however unlikely that he had his head slammed into the ground but it left no mark on his skin. Ergo - "nothing to contradict" his story. I admit I only skimmed the story but I did not note that he had any proof of his injuries aside from the testimony of his wife and parents - who no matter how truthful won't be believed."
There is a PICTURE of the back of his head taken MINUTES after the shooting with BLOOD running down it.
"That will not bode well for him unless the ME comes back in his favor (Trayvon was on top of the gun when it went off)."
Keep in mind, this shooting happened in FEBRUARY, Trayvon in BURIED. The ME report and ballistics report, while not released, is COMPLETED. The lead investigator would have seen it by now, and he testified that there is NO evidence to contradict the story. Case is over, the prosecution just hasn't realized it yet.
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I didn't see an injury? If he shot someone on top of him as he claimed - I would expect he was covered in blood.
Though it looks like the flash may have obscured where the blood was coming from - but it had a weird run pattern for someone allegedly on the ground underneath someone.
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While the ME may have completed the investigation (ala released the body), that does not necessarily mean they have issued a final report.
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This si what is SO frustrating about this case. We have internet proof that Trayvon was a drug dealer, school proof that he was a trouble maker and probable thief and vandal, pictures where he is flipping people off, calling himself "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA", and ALL of this is being tossed off as no a TRUE picture of Trayvon.
Yet the INITIAL reports of Zimmerman, from SEVEN YEARS AGO was that he assaulted a cop. Then it was he assaulted a cop while DRUNK. NOW it comes out that he assaulted an UNDERCOVER COP, who had NOT identified himself, who was hassling a friend of his in a bar. So, essentially, he PUSHED someone who he DID not know was a cop in a bar who was hassling his friend...SEVEN YEARS AGO.
Now a PHOTO comes out SHOWING the damage to his head...and it MUST be photoshopped or something.
No. The KISS principle comes into affect, this WANNABE thug assaulted a guy and got SHOT for it. End of story.
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I don't think it is photoshopped. If someone was going to the trouble to do that - it would look better.
I think it is possible things didn't happen the way he says they did.
And yes, he is scrutinized harder than Trayvon. He is asking us to take him at his word he had to take another life. He will be scrutinized 6 ways from Sunday - as he should be.
You know what gets me? I find your characterization of this kid interesting. Your own son has a more violent record than this kid and you were outraged that he wasn't permitted an immediate phone call without principal supervision and given a suspension for trying to obey you and insisting on calling. If she had shot him for refusing to return to class you would be ok with that? Or would you want a completely thorough investigation into what led up to those events?
Trayvon was no angel, but that doesn't mean he got what he deserved. Hopefully - the evidence will be there to determine one way or another so we can put this to rest.
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"And yes, he is scrutinized harder than Trayvon."
No, he is being scrutinized UNFAIRLY.
"Your own son has a more violent record than this kid"
Really? There is no evidence my son is a drug dealer, no evidence my son was in possesion of a bag of women's jewelery and a screw driver at school, no evidence that my son vandalized school property.
"If she had shot him for refusing to return to class you would be ok with that?"
If there was evidence that he had BEAT her HEAD on the ground, yes. I would be sad and upset, but I would not hold her responsible for defending herself.
"Trayvon was no angel, but that doesn't mean he got what he deserved."
So what SHOULD Zimmerman have done while Trayvon was beating his head on the ground?
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Mr. Z lied either that night or today. So we know that he is a liar. On the 911 call he says the kid was in his late teens. Today he says he thought the kid was closer to his age, 28. In the 911 call, Mr.Z says he is in his car...then the car door opens, heared by the door dinging, and then Mr. Z starts running, even says he is running after the boy.
Everyone was safe and sound through most of the "event." It was when Mr. Z. made the decision to leave the safety of his car to "Chase" or "Follow" a person who was up to no good and looks like he is drugged out. He put himself in danger. You can't claim the SYG when he went looking for trouble after the boy had been reported to police. THEN, instead of calling 911 or anyone after the shooting, he did nothing to get him help.
Then, wait for it....he told the officer on scene, that his head was being bashed on the ground, but was able to "scoot" away, then fired.
His attorney should have never let him on the stand to be cross-examined.
How dare this guy say to the parents...I am sorry for your loss, I thought he was older. As if, that would have made it better.
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"On the 911 call he says the kid was in his late teens. Today he says he thought the kid was closer to his age, 28."
He said INITIALLY he thought late teens, when the kid was approaching him. He said on the stand that he thought he was closer to his age at the time of the shooting, when he had a closer look. But lets be HONEST, when someone is pounding your head on the ground, who CARES how old they are?
"It was when Mr. Z. made the decision to leave the safety of his car to "Chase" or "Follow" a person who was up to no good and looks like he is drugged out. He put himself in danger."
Wait, wait, how did he put himself in DANGER? By following someone in his OWN neighborhood? Funny how the only "danger" out there was Trayvon...but NOT dangerous enough to need to be defended against.
"he did nothing to get him help."
Another lie, the FIRST witness on the scene stated that he was trying to stop the blood flow and told them to call an ambulance.
"Then, wait for it....he told the officer on scene, that his head was being bashed on the ground, but was able to "scoot" away, then fired."
Yep, and the picture shows his bloody head. Since when does walking through your OWN neighborhood entitle ANOTHER person to ATTACK you?
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"He said INITIALLY he thought late teens, when the kid was approaching him" Where do you get this stuff? He SAW the kid walking through the area. Then called 911. Not once did he EVER say the kid was approaching him.
"Wait, wait, how did he put himself in DANGER" Well, when he made a 911 call reporting a thug, most likely on drugs in the area from the safety of his car, the started chasing. YES CHASING by the way he sounded on the 911 tape (completely out of breath)
"Another lie, the FIRST witness on the scene stated that he was trying to stop the blood flow and told them to call an ambulance." The cop was the first on the ACTUAL scene. Nobody left their homes. Would YOU?
"Since when does walking through your OWN neighborhood entitle ANOTHER person to ATTACK you?" Trial hasn't started yet. He was driving through the neighborhood, called 911, then started a foot persuit on a minor child. Who was standing their ground?
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"He SAW the kid walking through the area. Then called 911. Not once did he EVER say the kid was approaching him."
Might wanna look at the transcripts of the call, here is the link:
documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
"Well, when he made a 911 call reporting a thug, most likely on drugs in the area from the safety of his car, the started chasing. YES CHASING by the way he sounded on the 911 tape (completely out of breath)"
Ah, so he put himself in danger by following a person he thought was a THUG, but Trayvon was INNOCENT, so he wasn't REALLY in danger. So when deciding if he should FOLLOW, his assumption that Trayvon was a thug was RIGHT, but when he SHOT him, his assumption that Trayvon was a thug was WRONG. Got it...BAER
"Trial hasn't started yet. He was driving through the neighborhood, called 911, then started a foot persuit on a minor child. Who was standing their ground?"
Who was standing their ground? The guy who was having his FVCKING HEAD SLAMMED ON THE GROUND!!!
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"Trayvon was INNOCENT"
We will never know. He is dead.
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"We will never know. He is dead."
Yep, because the guy he attacked shot him. Too bad, guess he shouldn't have attacked him.
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Do you have a crystal ball? How could the kid attack him if Mr. Z was in his car during the first part of the 911 call. Why did he ever get out of his car knowing the police were on their way? To be a hero? To stop another potential garage break in? Because he was in fear of his life?
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"How could the kid attack him if Mr. Z was in his car during the first part of the 911 call. Why did he ever get out of his car knowing the police were on their way? To be a hero? To stop another potential garage break in? Because he was in fear of his life? "
Since when do you need a REASON to get out of your car and walk through your OWN neighborhood? Why SHOULD he have had to COWER in his vehicle? He is a CITIZEN, he is ALLOWED to walk around, and he is ALLOWED to follow someone as long as it is in areas he is VALIDLY allowed to be in.
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You don't need a reason to get out of your car to walk through your own neighbohood. Why should he have stayed in his car???? BECAUSE he felt a teen posed a threat to him(hence the 911 call, he was so scared he called 911.) THAT IS WHY! Once he left his car with a loaded gun and followed a child through a complex where they BOTH belonged he lost his right to SYG.
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"Why SHOULD he have had to COWER in his vehicle?"
Not "cower", just stay put while the police were on the way. People call 911 for EMERGENCIES. Mr. Z must have felt it was a dangerous situation to call 911 in the first place. Yet, he left his car? Help me understand.
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but it had a weird run pattern for someone allegedly on the ground underneath someone
---> GRAVITY. The injury was to the back of his head, the back of his head was on the ground, gravity would have caused the blood to drip straight from the wound to the ground. One he stood up, then the blood would have run down the back of his head. The slightly off pattern would be because he tilted his head for the photos.
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No. I was not.
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"BECAUSE he felt a teen posed a threat to him(hence the 911 call, he was so scared he called 911.)"
No, he was following someone SUSPICIOUS. Read the 911 call, he NEVER said they were dangerous. I noticed you have dropped your claim that Trayvon never approached him, guess you finally read the transcript.
"Once he left his car with a loaded gun and followed a child through a complex where they BOTH belonged he lost his right to SYG."
What law states this? Please provide the law that says you cannot FOLLOW someone. Provide the law that gives a person being FOLLOWED the right to ASSAULT the person following him. And you cannot lose your right to syg because you were doing something COMPLETELY legal.
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New photos RIGHT after the shooting show his bloody head, investigating officer states, ON THE STAND, that he has NO evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's statements, and NO evidence as to who started that fight.
>>>>>>>>>> New photos show blood on Zimmerman's head , a pitiful amount of blood that doesn't prove his head was being SLAMMED into a sidewalk with enough force to make him KILL someone . Wanna know why ? Head cuts bleed PROFUSELY . Ever watch WWE ?
And in TRUE "low class" fashion, the Martins claim his offer of regret that they lost their son as "self serving"...because he didn't say it SOONER. Yeah, like if he went to them BEFORE he was in court, the crowd wouldn't have torn him to SHREDS.
>>>>>>>> And if evidence proves you wrong I'm sure you'll apologize .
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April 23, 2012 8:00 AM PrintText
(CBS News) The attorney for George Zimmerman apologized for the apology his client offered to the parents of Trayvon Martin during his bond hearing last Friday, saying he did not understand the victim's family would find the timing of his remarks inappropriate.
"We had reached out to see if we could do it privately," attorney Mark O'Mara said on "CBS This Morning."
Mark Strassmann reported that Zimmerman had asked for a private meeting with Martin's parents before Friday's hearing, which was rejected. Their lawyer, Benjamin Crump, said Thursday that requesting a meeting a day before the bond hearing was "self-serving."
At the hearing Friday Zimmerman took the stand and, speaking to Martin's parents, said, "I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not."
Crump told the press following the hearing that Zimmerman's apology was poorly timed and insincere. "The apology was somewhat of a surprise because we had told them this was not the appropriate time, but they just disregarded that, and he went and pandered to the court and the media and gave a very insincere apology."
O'Mara dismissed the notion that Zimmerman's apology was aimed at the judge whose decision it was to release him on bail, but said he did not realize the family would think it inappropriate.
"My concern is, I didn't realize that the way [Martin's family] had responded to me was through a press conference where they said it was too late or not an appropriate time," O'Mara said.
"To be honest, had I known that - maybe had I seen the press conference - I'm not sure that we would have done it at the bond hearing, because the purpose of it truly was to get to the family and to respond directly to the family's request. Had I known or been told that that wasn't the time, it wouldn't have happened. So, I apologize for that.
"But certainly it wasn't necessary to get a bond. It is not usual that you have somebody get up at all in a bond hearing. We wouldn't have done it in this case."
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">>>>>>>>>> New photos show blood on Zimmerman's head , a pitiful amount of blood that doesn't prove his head was being SLAMMED into a sidewalk with enough force to make him KILL someone ."
So, please describe, in DETAIL, the EXACT amount of force that makes a person go from "Oh, they are just going to HURT me" to "They are going to KILL me."
I mean the EXACT amount of force is required, because remember, you are going to be making this decision while someone is banging your HEAD against a solid surface.
">>>>>>>> And if evidence proves you wrong I'm sure you'll apologize ."
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Yeah, he should have done it BEFORE the bond hearing, yet they REJECTED the offer before the bond hearing...got it.
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So, please describe, in DETAIL, the EXACT amount of force that makes a person go from "Oh, they are just going to HURT me" to "They are going to KILL me."
>>>>>>>>>> Please show me where SCRATCHES indicate his head was being POUNDED into the pavement .
I mean the EXACT amount of force is required, because remember, you are going to be making this decision while someone is banging your HEAD against a solid surface.
>>>>>>>>>> That's IF it happened .
And if evidence proves you wrong I'm sure you'll apologize ."
Of course I will.
>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion , there will be NEVER enough evidence for you to change your mind .
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Yeah, he should have done it BEFORE the bond hearing, yet they REJECTED the offer before the bond hearing...got it.
>>>>>>>> He had over 6 weeks to apologize , long enough to call Hannity and set up a DEFENSE fund . Yup , SELF SERVING .
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">>>>>>>>>> Please show me where SCRATCHES indicate his head was being POUNDED into the pavement ."
Look at ANY of the pictures. He had DAMAGE that BLED (scratches may OOZE, but they do not BLEED).
">>>>>>>>>> That's IF it happened"
Well, if it DIDN'T, where did the blood come from?
">>>>>>>>>>> My opinion , there will be NEVER enough evidence for you to change your mind"
You mean like in the POWELL case, where I DID reverse my opinion? Funny, YOU saying I won't accept evidence while you IGNORE and EXCUSE the evidence against TRayvon.
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">>>>>>>> He had over 6 weeks to apologize , long enough to call Hannity and set up a DEFENSE fund . Yup , SELF SERVING ."
He TRIED before. Of course, there WAS the FACT that the Black Panthers put a BOUNTY on his head, maybe THAT was why he didn't approach them sooner.
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Please show me where SCRATCHES indicate his head was being POUNDED into the pavement ."
Look at ANY of the pictures. He had DAMAGE that BLED (scratches may OOZE, but they do not BLEED).
>>>>>>>>>> So that proves his head was pounded into the ground ? You're DREAMING .
That's IF it happened"
Well, if it DIDN'T, where did the blood come from?
>>>>>>> Cuts don't prove HOW it happened .
My opinion , there will be NEVER enough evidence for you to change your mind"
You mean like in the POWELL case, where I DID reverse my opinion? Funny, YOU saying I won't accept evidence while you IGNORE and EXCUSE the evidence against TRayvon.
>>>>>>>>>> You were stiil defending Powell AFTER he killed the kids . You CONTIUNUE to pile on with the massive amount of evidence against Trayvon which amounts to SCRATCHES and George Zimmerman's WORD , while referring to Trayvon as a drug-dealing THUG .
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He TRIED before.
>>>>>>>>>>>> An UTTER lie .
Of course, there WAS the FACT that the Black Panthers put a BOUNTY on his head, maybe THAT was why he didn't approach them sooner.
>>>>>> But he had time to call Hannity . OKAY . SURE .
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Completely untrue. I've been SCRATCHED by my CATS and had blood trailing down my leg. Fortunately, no one had to die for it. A little hydrogen peroxide and I was good to go.
[quote]">>>>>>>>>> Please show me where SCRATCHES indicate his head was being POUNDED into the pavement ."
Look at ANY of the pictures. He had DAMAGE that BLED (scratches may OOZE, but they do not BLEED). [/quote]
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Yup , I've BANGED my head on just about anything imaginable , can't remember ever bleeding .
When I was scratched by a tree branch I had to throw out the clothes I was wearing .
So his head was pulped by having it SLAMMED into concrete , where are the stitches ?
The concussion ?
Where's the blood on Trayvon ?
Who was screaming for help ?
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I agree the photo is not definitive.
It showed no wound and pitifully little blood for an alleged head wound. Was it because he had a towel on it and that was what ran down in the few seconds he removed it for the photo? Or was that all the blood there was?
I don't know what the evidence will show (was there blood on Trayvons clothes or zimmerman's?), but I wholeheartedly agree with the decision to allow a jury to rule on an affirmative defense.
As for the apology - I take no issue with the way it was offered and respect him for stating his mistake. And I understand why the Martins were unable to accept at this time or possibly ever.
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What surprises me is there is there no goose egg. I would think a head being slammed on concrete would produce a goose egg.
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"Yup , I've BANGED my head on just about anything imaginable , can't remember ever bleeding ."
Oh, so a LACK of blood is no proof that Trayvon WASN'T banging his head on the ground, right? Oh, wait, a lack of blood IS your excuse...then when the blood WAS presented, all of a sudden its not ENOUGH.
"So his head was pulped by having it SLAMMED into concrete , where are the stitches ?
The concussion ?
Where's the blood on Trayvon ?"
No one said it was "pulped", merely that it HAPPENED. As far as a concussion, no one indicated THAT either, just that Trayvon WAS banging his head on the ground.
And YOU refused to answer about EXACTLY how much force one had to be using to justify killing. I mean you are lying there, and you head is being banged on the ground, where is the decision point where you know that the attacker is just going to HURT you and not KILL you?
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Sounds like this Zimmerman dude was getting butthurt at getting his ass whipped by a kid, and pulled out the gun to save face.
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"Yup , I've BANGED my head on just about anything imaginable , can't remember ever bleeding ."
Oh, so a LACK of blood is no proof that Trayvon WASN'T banging his head on the ground, right?
>>>>>>>> A lack of blood on Trayvon would CERTAINLY cast doubt on Zimmerman's STORY .
Oh, wait, a lack of blood IS your excuse...then when the blood WAS presented, all of a sudden its not ENOUGH.
>>>>>>> Sorry , Zimmerman's " injuries " don't appear " life threatening " . That is the question , was he " in fear of his life " or not " . Especially if he started the confrontation . After all, he FOLLOWED Trayvon both in his vehicle and on foot . Have you seen where this all happened ? It's an OPEN AREA but SOMEHOW Zimmerman lost site of Trayvon . There were NO OBSTRUCTIONS where the " confrontation " occured .
No one said it was "pulped", merely that it HAPPENED. As far as a concussion, no one indicated THAT either, just that Trayvon WAS banging his head on the ground.
>>>>>>>>>> His " cuts " don't prove his head was being slammed into the ground .
And YOU refused to answer about EXACTLY how much force one had to be using to justify killing. I mean you are lying there, and you head is being banged on the ground, where is the decision point where you know that the attacker is just going to HURT you and not KILL you?
>>>>>>> Don't know , what's allowable force when a strange man with a gun is following you ?
So who was screaming for help ?
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Sounds like this Zimmerman dude was getting butthurt at getting his ass whipped by a kid, and pulled out the gun to save face.
>>>>>>> Yup , the 28 year old 5'8" 200 pounder cop wannabe with A GUN who followed a supicious male who might be on drugs got his ass whooped by a 17 year old kid who weighed MAYBE 150 pounds .
He got beat so badly he CRIED for help and had no choice but to shoot .
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I don't really think that the picture is proof of anything that did or didn't happen. Nor lack of a gooseegg. Some injuries swell out, some swell in. Some wounds open and some don't.
After pondering this for a while, I think the crux comes down to this: in my mind - you cannot decide to follow someone (chase?) and confront them about being in your neighborhood and THEN claim you are threatened/in fear of your life by their mere presence. IF that person turned out to have a weapon, or be a secret Krav Maga expert - OK. But he had the opportunity to see this person and made a decision to go after him (rather than wait for police) based on that information - he can't claim that he feared for his life. Either he wasn't afraid (hence the pursuing without police) or he WAS and he would have sat in his car. So I guess morally I hold him accountable for this kids death and I want to see some legal accountability. Because this kid didn't deserve the death penalty for fighting with a guy (if that happened, I will take him at his word for now) who chased him down. I don't think it was murder, but it was definitely something we shouldn't be comfortable with people doing and need to punish accordingly. Manslaughter maybe if they can show proof that he was uninjured and cannot substantiate he was attacked first. Criminally negligent homicide maybe if they can't.
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">>>>>>>> A lack of blood on Trayvon would CERTAINLY cast doubt on Zimmerman's STORY ."
How would an injury to the BACK of his head put blood on Trayvon who was in FRONT of Zimmerman?
">>>>>>> Sorry , Zimmerman's " injuries " don't appear " life threatening " . That is the question , was he " in fear of his life " or not " ."
Ah, not its clearer. You don't understand the law. You don;t have to have "life thereatening" injuries. You only have to be "in fear of your life". When he was laying on the ground, and Trayvon was pounding his head, he DOESN'T have to wait until he has such injuries, that would be STUPID, because once you HAVE life threatening injuries, you might not be ABLE to protect your life.
"After all, he FOLLOWED Trayvon both in his vehicle and on foot . Have you seen where this all happened ? It's an OPEN AREA but SOMEHOW Zimmerman lost site of Trayvon . There were NO OBSTRUCTIONS where the " confrontation " occured ."
Actually, it is in a collection of buildings. Easy for someone to hide behind a building.
">>>>>>>>>> His " cuts " don't prove his head was being slammed into the ground ."
Something tells me VIDEO TAPE wouldn't prove to you that it happened. I mean REALLY< cuts to the back of your head are NOT an indicator that your head was being slammed on the ground?!? Really? Really?
">>>>>>> Don't know , what's allowable force when a strange man with a gun is following you ?"
Thats easy, NONE. There is NOTHING illegal about following someone in a public area, thus you CANNOT use force to stop someone from doing something LEGAL.
"So who was screaming for help ?"
It is unclear, but the VISUAL witness says the guy on the BOTTOM was screaming for help. That would be Zimmerman.
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"you cannot decide to follow someone (chase?) and confront them about being in your neighborhood and THEN claim you are threatened/in fear of your life by their mere presence."
Actually, you CAN decide to follow someone through a public area. And he LOST SIGHT of Trayvon, then Trayvon confronted HIM. He did not shoot Trayvon for being PRESENT, he shot him while Trayvon was ATTACKING him, and YES< you CAN shoot someone who is attacking you physically.
"Manslaughter maybe if they can show proof that he was uninjured and cannot substantiate he was attacked first. Criminally negligent homicide maybe if they can't."
There is NO evidence that Zimmerman attacked first, but if I read this right, IF they prove that TRAYVON attacked Zimmerman first, you think Zimmerman should STILL go to prison? How JACKED is that?
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Yes I do.
Lets assume he (Trayvon) did in fact throw the first punch. I do not concede that, but let's assume it.
We KNOW he did so after being followed by a strange man, trying to elude him, going between buildings, etc. where the man left his vehicle to chase him down. I think it is reasonable that HE feared for HIS life and felt he COULD NOT safely retreat. So I find him hitting this guy to be justified. Particularly since his fear for his life WAS dead on balls accurate - the guy in fact KILLED HIM.
And yes, I hold Zimmerman accountable for his decision to act as a police officer when he was not. This kid was not on or near his property and no property owner was standing there saying "help! he's getting away!" He chose to do those things and chose to place Trayvon in a situation where he felt legitimately threatened.
And I think the only reason most people are comfortable with this is that they are scared of black teenagers too. *I* am not comfortable with that. I admit - if I see a black male dressed or acting like a thug - I feel more cautious. But I would not FOLLOW one with a gun and then shoot him when he freaks because I am following him. Those two acts do not mesh.
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"Lets assume he (Trayvon) did in fact throw the first punch. I do not concede that, but let's assume it."
Well, ALL the evidence points to that, so that is a safe assumption.
"We KNOW he did so after being followed by a strange man, trying to elude him, going between buildings, etc. where the man left his vehicle to chase him down."
Okay, I will buy that.
"I think it is reasonable that HE feared for HIS life and felt he COULD NOT safely retreat."
But he WAS retreating, you just said so. He was 70 FEET from the door he was going to. He had LOST Zimmerman, he was free and clear.
"So I find him hitting this guy to be justified. Particularly since his fear for his life WAS dead on balls accurate - the guy in fact KILLED HIM."
Honestly, I do not find this double standard to be accurate. FOLLOWING someone is justification for being ATTACKED, but being ATTACKED is not justifcation for defending yourself? Huh?
"And yes, I hold Zimmerman accountable for his decision to act as a police officer when he was not."
Well, actually, a COP would have pulled his gun and told the kid to freeze. Trayvon APPROACHED Zimmerman's car, then took off running.
"This kid was not on or near his property and no property owner was standing there saying "help! he's getting away!" He chose to do those things and chose to place Trayvon in a situation where he felt legitimately threatened."
Wow, so TRayvon felt threatened...so he DIDN'T call police, DIDN'T run home, and after LOSING Zimmerman, he APPROACHED him once again and VERBALLY confronted him, "You got a problem man?", and then PHYSICALLY assaulted him.
Funny thing is, while ON THE PHONE with police, Zimmerman following Trayvon was threatening, but Trayvon slamming his head on the ground is NOT threatening. Not really making much sense there.
"But I would not FOLLOW one with a gun and then shoot him when he freaks because I am following him."
Oh, Trayvon "freaked out". Wow, THAT is a load off my mond, I was under the impression that Trayvon PUNCHED him in the FACE, then was slamming his head on the ground...oh wait, he WAS.
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His attorney just had to admitt that he lied at his bond hearing. So his attorney knows Mr.Z is a liar and he spent 50,000 on living expenses so far
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And I think the only reason most people are comfortable with this is that they are scared of black teenagers too. *I* am not comfortable with that. I admit - if I see a black male dressed or acting like a thug - I feel more cautious.
---> Wow...because you're racist you assume everyone else is racist too?!?
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Source?
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CNN.com it came straight from HIS attorney's mouth
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I just have the courage to admit that I feel fear. I don't hate. I don't trust anyone who revels in a culture that promotes lawlessness and prison as something to aspire to. That goes for white or black. I don't dress in a lab coat and get pi$$y if people think I am a doctor. That is a normal way we humans take in information about other people.
Thanks to twitter I have read some pretty awful things about my fellow americans lately. Such as the number of tweets that went out about the capitals game being won by a ni**er. So I think its safe to say we still have our share of haters. Who have a real problem with a guy just because he happens to be a good athlete.
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Ah, so they didn't ASK about how much money the website had raised, and he didn't TELL them how much money the website had made...so how is that a "lie"? You are under NO obligation to reveal your financial situation in order to have a bond set.
As for $50K on living expenses, no, he HIRED a LAWYER, paid $5000 towrads the bond, and there is $150K left in the account.
And as a CONTRIBUTOR to that account, I have NO problem with him spending the money on relocation, as he was being HUNTED by the BLACK PANTHERS.
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He told his attorney that it would be impossible for him to put up 10% of a million dollars. Did you see the attorney's interview. He was embarrassed and said they will deal with it. He did not pay his attorney a dime. He was declared indigent, therefore the tax payers are paying his attorney.
And yes, when the court asks about your available monies, you are required to be honest
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"He told his attorney that it would be impossible for him to put up 10% of a million dollars."
That is because it is a LEGAL DEFENSE FUND, and cannot be USED for bond.
"And yes, when the court asks about your available monies, you are required to be honest"
The court did NOT ask about available monies.
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Well he used 50,000 for living expenses.. The judge is going to rule next week on it. George set up a personal pay pal account and not. Legal defense fund......opppps
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"Well he used 50,000 for living expenses.. The judge is going to rule next week on it. George set up a personal pay pal account and not. Legal defense fund......opppps"
Well, pick a side and stick with it. Either it WAS a legal defense fund, and COULDN'T be used for personal expenses, or it WASN'T and COULD be used for personal expenses. You cannot claim it WAS a legal defense fund, and thus COULDN'T be used for living expenses, then argue that it WASN'T a legal defense fund and had to be admitted to for bond issues. That don't fly.
But lets be honest, who CARES what it is for or what it was used for, he is in court because a bunch of lazy RACISTS decided he should be, and for NO other reason.
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"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about," O'Mara told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday. "He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."
O'Mara had said earlier this month that he believed Zimmerman had no money."
I find it hard to believe O'Mara did not know about the website donations. Most everyone else in the country knew. I also can't believe the judge didn't know of its existence. They set bond according to Zimmerman's parents' poverty plea? Something screwed up, here.
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Bottom line, BOND should not be set based on ability to PAY, ti should be based on LIKELIHOOD that you will return to court. And there is NOTHING to indicate that he would run. He VOLUNTARILY runed himself in.
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If that's the case, then it's a moot point.
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"O’Mara says that he has now put the money into a trust until it can be decided how the funds should be used. There is $150,000 left after Zimmerman spent over $50,000 on living expenses."
really??? 50,000 in living expenses on donations for a few weeks? Are you are ok with that? Bottom line, he lied about his ability to pay bond or attorney fees.
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He lied--to whom? Who asked him about his ability to pay?
I agree that 50,000 for living expenses for a short time is wacked, but I can't see a legal problem with it. Those who donated obviously didn't care how he spent it.
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"really??? 50,000 in living expenses on donations for a few weeks? Are you are ok with that?"
Yep. Its EXPENSIVE to leave everything you have and go somewhere where no one can GET to you. Maybe if he was BLACK, the government would have provided PROTECTION from the Black Panthers, who THREATENED HIS LIFE.
"Bottom line, he lied about his ability to pay bond or attorney fees."
No, he didn't. He was NEVER EVER asked if he had the ability to pay, because bond is NOT based on ones ability to pay. If THAT was the case, a HOMELESS person would ALWAYS be released with no bond, because they have NO ability to pay.
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He told his attorney he had no money. Based on what he told his lawyer, his lawyer stood up in open court said the words "my client does not have the ability to pay..." Based on that, was declared indigent. He lied
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Ah, so he lied to his LAWYER. Well, there is no law against that.
And AGAIN, bail/bond has NOTHING to do with ones ABILITY to pay, but is based SOLELY on the likelihood that a defendent will return to court.
So, if they make it 1 MILLION dollars bail, like the prosecution wants, and he puts up 10% (100K), will that make everyone FEEL better? I mean its money he will get back when he shows up for court, so what is the DIFFERENCE?
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He will get it back if he shows up in court? Where or what planet do you come from? What we all know is that he was not truthful. He should have to put that money towards legal fees and let the tax payers off the hook.
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He chased him down, he followed him, he was ordered not to, he was told not to, the dispatcher said he didn't need to do that. He was in the car, he was out of the car, video proves he wasn't injured, video proves he was, a picture proves he was injured, but that doesn't mean he should have feared for his life. His parents had to leave their home, he was threatened,(remember when CNN sat there and said "sounds like coons" to me) he is a racist, he is hipsanic, he is a white hispanic, a bounty on his head, no worries there.
Yeah, you see a group/gathering/gang/social glee club in disguise, portraying the thug lifestyle, of course you become fearful, scared, hesitant, whatever it may be. Make the hoodie white, add a cross, and there it is. But nope, it is racist when you judge a group of people how they dress, since when. Tweets, tweets are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to hate in this country, The tweets about Geroge zimmerman don't even come close to the amount of hate in this country.
Kill that mexican muther f*cker george zimmerman
George Zimmerman Released From Jail 150,000 Bail! WTF! Nigga You Are About To Die, Start Writing Your Will! Justices Has Not Been Served
“How the [expletive\] did Joel ward get out of my plantation? #WheresMyCotton,”
Go play basketball, hockey is a white sport," "4th line black trash" and "white power" were some of the nicer phrases
How about Spike Lee, and Roseanne Barr, haters to the core. The new black panther party, kill cracker babies, plan for a race war. You can find white aryan websites in about 5 ssecond, black seperatist, antisemite.
18-year-old Alton L. Hayes has just been charged by police with "attempted robbery and aggravated battery along with a hate crime" for attacking and robbing a 19- year-old man. Hayes is black, the victim is white, and Hayes told investigators "he was angry about the [Trayvon] Martin shooting and decided to attack the victim because of his race."
Now there is another casualty of ginned up race issues, that young man believed everything he was told, and felt he had to retaliate, what a shame. The whole thing is beyond belief now, even the NAACP has come out in support of srtand yrou groudn laws. The law is not the problem, Trayvon martin is not the problem, the problem is how fast we are to pin something on race, to throw gas on the fire, and sit back and watch it explode.
Until you decide it is perfectly fine to stifle the speech you do not approve of, then there will be hate. There is no question, plenty of haters in this country, and it is equal opportunity, they come in all sizes, shapes, genders, colors, and political parties. At this point it only looks like people want a specific outcome on the martin shooting, evidence be dammed, because there is enough to make any conclusion you want.
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I just have the courage to admit that I feel fear. I don't hate.
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"He will get it back if he shows up in court? Where or what planet do you come from?"
The one where BAIL is used to guarantee that a person shows back up in court for the trial, hence, it is RETURNED when the person shows back up in court. THAT is what BAIL is for.
"What we all know is that he was not truthful."
Interestingly enough, the "evidence" that he was not truthful is a statement from his lawyer about something he TOLD his lawyer, which is confidential.
"He should have to put that money towards legal fees and let the tax payers off the hook."
You mean the same tax payers that are trying to FVCK him by placing him in PRISON for DEFENDING himself? Or the tax payers that refuse to file charges against the group that threatened his LIFE? Yeah, I am sure he is REALLY feeling like justice is working right now.
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"The one where BAIL is used to guarantee that a person shows back up in court for the trial, hence, it is RETURNED when the person shows back up in court. THAT is what BAIL is for."
You have no idea what you are talking about. That much is clear. If he paid 10% of 1 million, he would put up $100,000 and the bond person puts up the $900,000. The bond person gets their $900,000 back, Zimmerman gets nothing back. Understand now?
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IF he went through a bail bonds man. If the STATE only requires 10%, then it is returned.
But I find it interesting that you are OKAY with penalizing an INNOCENT citizen that much money BEFORE the trial.
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Never said I was "OKAY" with it. But, that is the way it works. People don't have to pay the bond. It is not a forced requirement.
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And he paid his bond. Now that want to RAISE his bond, NOT because he is a flight risk, NOT because he gave indication that he wouldn't go to court, NOT because they added charges, JUST because they think he might have more money. How freaking SAD is that?
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No. They want to raise it because it shows he was not honest. HE filed and SIGNED, through his attorney, docs that stated that he has less than $5,000 dollars at his disposal. LIE, he had over $200,000 at his DISPOSAL. He has $154,000 CASH to flee. Now it is coming out that he claims that he spent $50,000 of that on living expenses for a month. That is not true either. He was at an uncle's friend house out of state, according to his old attornies.
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Or the tax payers that refuse to file charges against the group that threatened his LIFE?
---> Well hon...the [New] Black Panthers are...well...black. And you know...black people simply cannot be guilty of any kind of 'hate crime'. The call for a “life for a life” or an “eye for an eye” doesn't really constituted a crime...it's 'free speech'. And yes, while the 'bounty' does pose a problem since one cannot solicit others to commit a crime, one has to look at the “the entirety” of the literature put out by the New Black Panthers on the matter and said that it is simply a 'call for justice'.
---> But of course...if the KKK were to put out such a 'call for justice' you know damn well that the NAACP, ACLU, NUL, RPC, AAPC, AASB, BCA, BIG, BISA, NABCJ, NABA, NAMD, NSBE, NACME, NABHOOD, the right Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, POTUS, USAG, etc...would all be screaming "RACISM" instead of "First Amendment" and white folks would be getting arrested. But it's perfectly 'legal' for a black person(s) to threaten 'white' persons...even 'white Hispanics', but a white person(s)...even 'white Hispanics' cannot threaten black persons.
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So you mean all those white patients I've had over the years who have threatened me all were arrested? You mean I can threaten my white patients and nothing will happen to me? Damn, I didn't know that this was even possible. I guess I must have been living in different USA to the one you live in.
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Who says he lied? The people who want to raise his bail? Kind of suspect don't you think?
First of all, when were the documents signed? Did he have direct access to the money or was someone else in control of it?
Please provide a link to where he claims he spent $50,000 for living expenses for a month.
Second...his wife testified at the bond hearing that there was a website collecting donations. Obvious NOBODY bothered to find out...which would have taken 2 minutes to do...how much money had been collected at that time.
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"[censored]://[censored].wmfe.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12703&news_iv_ctrl=1041"
His attorney said tonight that his client was obligated to disclose his true liquid assets. He hopes that Mr. Zimmerman had an "over sight and they will deal with it." If I was going to sign and date a court document STATING that I had less than $5,000 cash dollars to my name and needed to be declared indigent, I would have not forgotten about my pay pal account that I set up 2 days PRIOR to the hearing. Even his attorney has admitted that the pay pal account was not a DEFENSE FUND, but " about 150 thousand or so dollars (left) available for whatever purposes," said O'Mara."
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Mark O'Mara just did a press conference on HLN and said that George was "Not forth coming" with the courts. He said he hopes the judge does not revoke his bail, but it is a possibility, and they will deal with that if the time comes. Mr. O'Mara has requested from George, his last bank statement to find where the "missing" $50,000 dollars for "living expenses" went. Zimmerman was ONE credit away from from a CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEGREE...He should have known that he was going to be ASKED about his financial situation. And YES, he did say, in court, he had no money, and Mark O'mara has acknowledged that.
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None of what you are saying makes any sense. Try again.
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What part are you not understanding? My words? Or the damage control that HIS high POWERED ATTORNEY is doing? I am sure his attorney feels like a total douche right about now.
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"Who says he lied?" HIS ATTORNEY, ya'll remember him, O'Mara, the one that the state of Florida is paying $600.00 per hour on his defense. The same state that paid Casey Anthoney's attorney at the rate of $450 per hour to defend her. If he so broke, why not a public defender? It is not a death P case?
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What part are you not understanding?
---> Where you are getting your information to start with. I asked you to provide a link where he (Zimmerman) claims that he spent $50,000 for one month's living expenses as you claimed. The link you provided say NOTHING about that amount of money, ONLY his attorney saying that "some of the money was used to pay for his living expenses" so YOU grabbed ahold of that ambigious statement as 'proof' that he is living high on the hog.
---> I have no doubt that SOME of the money was used to pay Zimmerman's living expenses...guy couldn't work, couldn't go to school...man still has to eat and pay his bills. I also have no doubt a good portion of that money went as a retainer for his attorney.
---> And why are you (and the DA) ignoring his wife's testimony?
"At the bond hearing last week, Zimmerman's wife told the court she did not know how much money the website had collected in donations, adding that her brother-in-law helped set it up. She said the family is “trying to scrape up anything that we possibly can.”"
usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/27/11427416-after-zimmermans-website-raises-more-than-200000-prosecution-asks-judge-to-raise-bond?lite
---> So...the Judge knew about the website, the DA knew about the website, Zimmerman's attorney knew about the website...YET, NOBODY bothered to follow up on it?!? My guess is that none of these people thought that there was actually any money there so they didn't bother to check into it. And given that Zimmerman was in jail, he probably had no clue himself...until he got out of jail and then he went to his attorney and told him.
My words?
---> And then some.
---> Let's start with his financial statement. This is not a document that is prepared on the day of the hearing; it is in fact, usually prepared several days or more in advance so that it can be given to ALL parties and reviewed BEFORE the hearing. Given that, how is he supposed to include a PayPal account that, according to you, was only set up two days before the hearing?
Or the damage control that HIS high POWERED ATTORNEY is doing? I am sure his attorney feels like a total douche right about now.
---> That isn't damage control, that is an attorney throwing his client to the wolves because as you said, he feels like a total douche, but that's HIS fault...NOT his clients. If I was Zimmerman...I'd be getting a new attorney.
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"Who says he lied?" HIS ATTORNEY
---> See above.
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A lack of blood on Trayvon would CERTAINLY cast doubt on Zimmerman's STORY ."
How would an injury to the BACK of his head put blood on Trayvon who was in FRONT of Zimmerman?
>>>>>>>>>> There is that " broken nose " that one would presume BLED . Pretty accomodating of old George , a life or death struggle and as yet no blood on Trayvon .
Sorry , Zimmerman's " injuries " don't appear " life threatening " . That is the question , was he " in fear of his life " or not " ."
Ah, not its clearer. You don't understand the law. You don;t have to have "life thereatening" injuries. You only have to be "in fear of your life". When he was laying on the ground, and Trayvon was pounding his head, he DOESN'T have to wait until he has such injuries, that would be STUPID, because once you HAVE life threatening injuries, you might not be ABLE to protect your life.
>>>>>>>>> That's if George's story IS TRUE , I'd have reasonable doubt as he can't even
TELL the TRUTH about his FINANCES .
"After all, he FOLLOWED Trayvon both in his vehicle and on foot . Have you seen where this all happened ? It's an OPEN AREA but SOMEHOW Zimmerman lost site of Trayvon . There were NO OBSTRUCTIONS where the " confrontation " occured ."
Actually, it is in a collection of buildings. Easy for someone to hide behind a building.
>>>>>>>>> Nope , Google the pictures , no place to hide .Another HOLE in George's story , Trayvon ran away , hid but decided to attack but was the AGGRESSOR .
His " cuts " don't prove his head was being slammed into the ground ."
Something tells me VIDEO TAPE wouldn't prove to you that it happened. I mean REALLY< cuts to the back of your head are NOT an indicator that your head was being slammed on the ground?!? Really? Really?
>>>>>>>>> Simple logic , one can " cut " their head without it being " slammed into the ground " .
Don't know , what's allowable force when a strange man with a gun is following you ?"
Thats easy, NONE. There is NOTHING illegal about following someone in a public area, thus you CANNOT use force to stop someone from doing something LEGAL.
>>>>>>>>>> You can't use force to STOP someone when they're doing NOTHING ILLEGAL , something a NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH CAPTAIN should know .
"So who was screaming for help ?"
It is unclear, but the VISUAL witness says the guy on the BOTTOM was screaming for help. That would be Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>> And other witnesses who say OTHERWISE .
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"Lets assume he (Trayvon) did in fact throw the first punch. I do not concede that, but let's assume it."
Well, ALL the evidence points to that, so that is a safe assumption.
>>>>>>> Actually , NO EVIDENCE points to that .
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Ah, so they didn't ASK about how much money the website had raised, and he didn't TELL them how much money the website had made...so how is that a "lie"? You are under NO obligation to reveal your financial situation in order to have a bond set.
>>>>>>>> Actually YOU ARE .
As for $50K on living expenses, no, he HIRED a LAWYER, paid $5000 towrads the bond, and there is $150K left in the account.
>>>>>>>>> And yet he needs a public defender .
And as a CONTRIBUTOR to that account, I have NO problem with him spending the money on relocation, as he was being HUNTED by the BLACK PANTHERS.
>>>>>>>>> There we go , the conservative's favority "bogeymen" the group no one but the " fright wing " cares about . You sure ALEC isn't involved ?
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Ah, so they didn't ASK about how much money the website had raised, and he didn't TELL them how much money the website had made...so how is that a "lie"? You are under NO obligation to reveal your financial situation in order to have a bond set.
>>>>>>>>> Obviously you are unclear about what a HEARING is where TESTIMONY is given UNDER OATH .
And as a CONTRIBUTOR to that account, I have NO problem with him spending the money on relocation, as he was being HUNTED by the BLACK PANTHERS.
>>>>>>>>> Yup , the hate group who offered $10k for Zimmerman's capture and citizen's arrest .
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">>>>>>>>> Obviously you are unclear about what a HEARING is where TESTIMONY is given UNDER OATH ."
He was in jail from right AFTER he set up the website, to the time the question was asked. So IF he had been asked, not knowing the amount in there is completely reasonable. But since he WASN'T asked, its moot.
">>>>>>>>> Yup , the hate group who offered $10k for Zimmerman's capture and citizen's arrest ."
Really? Cause the signs said, "Dead or Alive".
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He was in jail from right AFTER he set up the website, to the time the question was asked.
>>>>>>>> A lie .
So IF he had been asked, not knowing the amount in there is completely reasonable. But since he WASN'T asked, its moot.
>>>>>>>>> Except it's a little bit more than just ORAL TESTIMONY , there's the damn paperwork that is signed UNDER PENALY OF PERJURY .
So he blew $50k , was that before he got arrested or AFTER ?
Really? Cause the signs said, "Dead or Alive".
>>>>>>>>> So ?
Of course the guy who said it was arrested for an unrelated charge plus the NBPP are an unpopular fringe group designated as a hate group by the SPLC that n one but the " fright " wing pays attention to .
Hey , you know the Klan offered " bounties " too .
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He was in jail from right AFTER he set up the website, to the time the question was asked.
Who knows whether it is a lie or not, but on April 10th, this was published:
thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/on-a-new-web-site-george-zimmerman-speaks-out/
Last Updated | 5:46 p.m. George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot and killed an unarmed, black teenager in Florida six weeks ago, broke his public silence over the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin on a new Web site: TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com.
On the home page of his new site, which features an American flag as its background, and a prominent link to a PayPal account, Mr. Zimmerman writes:
I am the real George Zimmerman. On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life.
He surrendered to authorities on 11 April
rnbphilly.com/2306017/george-zimmerman-surrenders-to-authorities/
So it may have, or may not have been right after, but just say it is a lie, or to say it is true ignores the actual facts.
Except it's a little bit more than just ORAL TESTIMONY , there's the damn paperwork that is signed UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY .
They should pursue it to see if he did perjure himself, they can see who he called, who he talked to, and even ask his lawyers. If it is proven, then add it to the charges.
Really? Cause the signs said, "Dead or Alive".
>>>>>>>>> So ?
Well, that is a little different than this:
Yup , the hate group who offered $10k for Zimmerman's capture and citizen's arrest ."
Hey , you know the Klan offered " bounties " too .
They sure did, but how does that relate to what the NBP is doing today? Does it actually make it ok ? Or should the NBP's be prosecuted, just as Zimmerman should be for perjury ?
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So it may have, or may not have been right after, but just say it is a lie, or to say it is true ignores the actual facts.
>>>>>>>> The ACTUAL FACT his " defense fund " was NATIONAL NEWS yet neither his wife , parents nor attorney knew or used the funds ? I'd imagine he must have been held in solitary 24 hours/day . Pretty impressive , $50k spent SINCE his release .
Really? Cause the signs said, "Dead or Alive".
>>>>>>>>> So ?
Well, that is a little different than this:
Yup , the hate group who offered $10k for Zimmerman's capture and citizen's arrest ."
Hey , you know the Klan offered " bounties " too .
They sure did, but how does that relate to what the NBP is doing today? Does it actually make it ok ? Or should the NBP's be prosecuted, just as Zimmerman should be for perjury ?
>>>>>>>>>More fear mongering from Zimmerman's supporters , nope " dead or alive " isn't a big deal when the " wanted poster " calls for his citizen's arrest and capture . A MOOT POINT now that he's been arrested .
ANYONE who takes the NBPP seriously has a screw loose .
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