Gecko
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A sense of humor about GOD?
---> You think God doesn't have a sense of humor? Have you ever seen a naked man run?
The point being, you cannot take a book RIFE with violence and killings sanctioned by God, then say that SOME of the killing was a misinterpretation.
---> You can if it is true. Consider all the different religions that use the Bible as a basis; you have your three main groups...Catholic, Protestant and Eastern/Oriental Orthodox. Out of those you have your Adventists, Pentecosts, Baptists, Calvins, Presbyterians, Puritans, Methodists and Lutherans just to name a few. Again...EVERY one of them is reading the SAME book, but they ALL are interpreting it differently.
Lets be honest, your God is a vindictive sort.
---> Duh.
He has had innocent women and children MURDERED. Look at the story of the test of Baal in Kings. He tells the followers of Baal to PROVE he exists, and when they cannot, he tells HIS followers to MURDER THEM.
---> You ever thought about entering politics...'cuz you sure do 'spin' a good story. You tell just enough of it to make it sound 'bad', but you don't don't the whole of it. The story you are talking about is known in the NKJV as "Elijah’s Mount Carmel Victory" (1 Kings 18:20-40)
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2018:20-40&version=NKJV
1. There were NO women and children killed and/or "MURDERED". If you read verses 22 and 40, it is very clear that it was 450 MEN that were killed.
1 Kings 18:22 - Then Elijah said to the people, “I alone am left a prophet of the Lord; but Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men."
1 Kings 18:40 - And Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal! Do not let one of them escape!” So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Brook Kishon and executed them there.
2. Technically...there was only ONE "follower" and that was Elijah (see 1 Kings 18:22). He is the ONE that killed the 450 men (see 1 Kings 18:40), but admittedly he had help...the followers of Baal (see 1 Kings 18:39-40).
1 Kings 18:39-40 - Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God!” And Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal! Do not let one of them escape!” So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Brook Kishon and executed them there.
Yet his OWN rules state it is a SIN to test him to see if he exists.
---> Not sure where you are getting this because what do you think the above was? So okay...it was more of a CONtest, then a test, but I have never heard anywhere that we weren't allowed to 'test' God. Must be one of those 'interpretations'.
Sorry, NO insult intended, but if ANYONE else did this, you would be the FIRST to call them a TOTAL D!CK.
---> Bullcatmonkeyshit! When aren't you insulting? Seriously...you want to have a discussion about my religion, I'm more than happy to discuss it with you, but no more bullcatmonkeyshit. NO comparing apple and onions or wild-ass extremes (#784523), NO 'fairy tales' insults. If you want to ask ME how I feel about this thing or that thing...ASK, do NOT attack. You might be surprised at the answers you receive.
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Gecko
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For something to be a "theory" it has to, first of all, be testable, second of all, it has to currently be TESTED.
---> You do know that Newton's theory of gravitation was accepted as fact WITHOUT being tested. It wasn't until 220 YEARS later that Einstein came along with his theory of relativity, that Newton's was tested. And not all of Einstein's theories, including relativity, were testable at the time he made them...and many still aren't.
They are looking for more information and proof of evolution.
---> Which by your own words, means that is not a theory, its a belief because it's 1) NOT testable and 2) NOT being currently tested.
---> The most ironic thing...science was born of religion.
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SweetLight
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Far be it from LexieBelle to judge, LOL! Or Gr8.
EGO = Edge God Out. Have a great weekend, everybody!
ETA- LB calling you out for the lengths you will go is comical, there is not an irony hammer big enough. ;-)
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gr8Dad
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"---> You can if it is true. Consider all the different religions that use the Bible as a basis; you have your three main groups...Catholic, Protestant and Eastern/Oriental Orthodox. Out of those you have your Adventists, Pentecosts, Baptists, Calvins, Presbyterians, Puritans, Methodists and Lutherans just to name a few. Again...EVERY one of them is reading the SAME book, but they ALL are interpreting it differently."
Nice dodge. Now try addressing what I SAID. You are saying MAN has committed acts of violence in the NAME of the bible, but the BIBLE authorizes acts of violence, DIRECTLY. Maybe if GOD didn't OKAY murder, man wouldn't think it was okay.
"---> You ever thought about entering politics...'cuz you sure do 'spin' a good story. You tell just enough of it to make it sound 'bad', but you don't don't the whole of it. The story you are talking about is known in the NKJV as "Elijah’s Mount Carmel Victory" (1 Kings 18:20-40)"
Yep, KILL people who believe differently than you do. Seems pretty clear to me. Seems many Christians criticized Muslims for doing this, but it is AUTHORIZED by GOD.
"1. There were NO women and children killed and/or "MURDERED". If you read verses 22 and 40, it is very clear that it was 450 MEN that were killed."
Re-read what I wrote. I said God HAS murdered woman and children. Not that he did it in THIS case. Of course, considering that back then, the average age to survive was probably about 30, so I BET a lot of those "prophets" were under 18, and hence, children.
"---> Not sure where you are getting this because what do you think the above was? So okay...it was more of a CONtest, then a test, but I have never heard anywhere that we weren't allowed to 'test' God. Must be one of those 'interpretations'."
Try reading Luke 4:12, JESUS said it.
"---> Bullcatmonkeyshit!"
Really? So you would have NO problem with a person who does ONE thing, and then DEMANDS that the SAME thing NOT be done to them? Really? Cool, I'll remember that.
But since you are now saying you CAN test god, cool, lets try that. You are believer. You have faith. Does your faith equal that of a mustard seed? So ask the mountains in Nevada to MOVE. Jesus says you can do it in the bible, you believe in the bible, so ask for it. Not much, just enough to prove God can do it through you. I will become a believer, and probably a whole lot MORE people will believe as the story leaks. SO go ahead and ASK for it to be done.
Or even better, lets pick something smaller, so as to not upset the ecology. Find an amputee. Maybe a vet, there are plenty of them online. Ask that their limb grow back. You would become and instament of GOD, people would believe, and a deserving individual would have their limb back, NO downside. So ask and it shall be provided to you.
"If you want to ask ME how I feel about this thing or that thing...ASK, do NOT attack."
See, I simply listed some inconsistencies, very respectfully, and you see it as an ATTACK, which it was not.
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gr8Dad
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"---> You do know that Newton's theory of gravitation was accepted as fact WITHOUT being tested. It wasn't until 220 YEARS later that Einstein came along with his theory of relativity, that Newton's was tested. And not all of Einstein's theories, including relativity, were testable at the time he made them...and many still aren't."
Yep, testable and was tested. Seems pretty simple.
"They are looking for more information and proof of evolution.
---> Which by your own words, means that is not a theory, its a belief because it's 1) NOT testable and 2) NOT being currently tested."
Huh? Evolution ISN'T being tested? How in the WORLD do you get, from the statement and FACT that evidence and relationships backing evolution are still being tested and looked for as proof that it ISN'T testable and isn't being tested? I really do not understand that.
"---> The most ironic thing...science was born of religion."
Yep, and AS science advances, the "things" that religion is in control of decreases. For example, we now know that it is the rotation of the earth that causes the sun to rise, not Ra, the SUN GOD. We know that a RAINBOW is not a promise from God not to flood the planet anymore, it is a prismatic effect of the sun shining therough drops of moisture in the atomesphere.
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ssmom79
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I bet in Biblical times 18 was not a child, especially if people only lived to 30. That's midlife crisis age in the Bible. Just sayin' don't forget if you're going to use Bible time to debate you shouldn't interject with current definitions like a child is 18.
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ssmom79
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So gr8 have you ever been a believer? Did something happen to you to change that? Did you feel forced into religion early on? How do you prevent that from happening to your children?
If you don't mind my asking anyway and I'm not on here as frequently as before so if u answer and I don't return just give me some time.
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gr8Dad
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I was raised Roman Catholic. At about 30, I began having a crisis of faith. I began to question the teachings. As I was raised in a primarily Catholic area, I had no exposure to other faiths other than the teaching at the Catholic school I went to, but it was limited to basically HOW they came into existence. So during my crisis of faith, I researched and "practiced" other religions. I looked into the protestant faiths (Methodism, Baptist, Lutheran, etc). When those did not meet what I was searching for, I looked outside the mainstream Christian faith. I looked at Judeism (sp?), Morman, even the eastern religious, Toaism, Buddism, etc.
What I discovered was that they all pretty much say the same thing. I ceased searching for a EXTERNAL force, and began looking inward.
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Gecko
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Nice dodge. Now try addressing what I SAID.
---> What dodge? This is what you SAID:
"The point being, you cannot take a book RIFE with violence and killings sanctioned by God, then say that SOME of the killing was a misinterpretation."
---> And THAT is what I responded to. If you would like to address something DIFFERENT than the above, then do so.
Yep, KILL people who believe differently than you do. Seems pretty clear to me. Seems many Christians criticized Muslims for doing this, but it is AUTHORIZED by GOD.
---> Make up your freaking mind on what you want to talk about. Geez Louise!
Re-read what I wrote. I said God HAS murdered woman and children. Not that he did it in THIS case.
---> Maybe YOU should read what you wrote. You made a statement, then to backup that statement, you provided an example. If you meant for you statement to be separate...then you should have stated it separately...otherwise, I can ONLY respond to what you wrote.
Of course, considering that back then, the average age to survive was probably about 30, so I BET a lot of those "prophets" were under 18, and hence, children.
---> Even you have to admit that this is a really stupid statement.
Try reading Luke 4:12, JESUS said it.
---> I KNOW that you're not a stupid man, so why do you persist in doing this stupid sh*t! How many times do I have to kick your ass before you learn that I'm not an idiot like you? Have it your way:
"And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not TEMPT the Lord thy God."
---> TEMPT...NOT 'test'. Luke 4:1-13 (biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%204&version=NKJV). It's the story of how God sent Jesus into the wilderness for 40 days and nights to be TEMPTED by Satan. Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and said he would give it all to him if only Jesus worshiped him instead of God. When Jesus said NO, Satan got pissed and quoted Psalms 91:11-12, because, you know...Satan was an 'angel'. But Jesus was falling for his BS and so reminded of Deut 6:16 (in context Deut 6:10-25). "Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time."
Really? So you would have NO problem with a.....
---> Dude...you DO realize that your previous post didn't disappear? I know you WANT to pretend that you didn't say what you said and I didn't [again] kick your ass, but HELLO...still there.
---> I thought I made it clear above...if you want to ask me something, then actually ASK me. Enough of the game playing.
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gr8Dad
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"---> And THAT is what I responded to. If you would like to address something DIFFERENT than the above, then do so."
Perhaps I was not clear enough. I am not talking about the violence in the bible based on misinterpretation, I am talking about the violence that all sides AGREE is in there. I am sorry I was not clearer.
"---> Make up your freaking mind on what you want to talk about. Geez Louise!"
It was a multitopic post. You know this, as you responded to multiple topics.
"---> Maybe YOU should read what you wrote. You made a statement, then to backup that statement, you provided an example."
Actually, it was two statements, sorry I wasn't clearer. While I do not think it will make a difference to your avoidance of answering things, I will try to be clearer.
"---> Even you have to admit that this is a really stupid statement."
Ah, and here comes the insults.
"---> I KNOW that you're not a stupid man, so why do you persist in doing this stupid sh*t! How many times do I have to kick your ass before you learn that I'm not an idiot like you? Have it your way:
"And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not TEMPT the Lord thy God."
Ah, not ONLY insults, but this one has signs of WIGGLING. Yes, Tempt/Test, depending on the translation. But what is it in REFERENCE to? Jesus and the devil have a fairly long conversation. He asks Jesus to turn a stone into bread, Jesus says "Man does not live on bread alone" Then the devil says I will give you all of this if you worship me, Jesus says it is written that you shall only worship GOD. He then suggests a TEST of the power of God. Is the devil offering God some CANDY, or is he asking him to DO something to PROVE he is God? You know the answer. He is telling Jesus to throw himself from the great height to TEST if God will send his angels to protect him.
"---> TEMPT...NOT 'test'. Luke 4:1-13 (biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%204&version=NKJV). It's the story of how God sent Jesus into the wilderness for 40 days and nights to be TEMPTED by Satan. Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and said he would give it all to him if only Jesus worshiped him instead of God. When Jesus said NO, Satan got pissed and quoted Psalms 91:11-12, because, you know...Satan was an 'angel'. But Jesus was falling for his BS and so reminded of Deut 6:16 (in context Deut 6:10-25). "Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time."
Nice out of context quote, the correct one is easily found. He says the tempt/test line after Satan ask him to throw himself off a great height to prove that God will save him. You can call me stupid all day long, but it is you who is WRONG, on thisd and on a lot more. Especially about the idea that you may have "kicked my ass" at ANY point in the past.
"---> I thought I made it clear above...if you want to ask me something, then actually ASK me. Enough of the game playing."
I asked you a number of things, you LIED, quoted out of context and INSULTED, but failed to ANSWER any of it. I agree, the games should stop...so when will you?
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