finz
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No, I'm just okay with them being hypocrites... we all are, Christians, atheists, whatever your belief system. [/quote]
No, it's just the Christians. [/quote]
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Hey now, in this case it's just the Southern Baptist Christians.
I can't imagine my Christian church banning the Boy Scouts. <Insert inappropriate comment about Catholic pedophile priests here>
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spinnerdegrassi
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[quote]You know, I'm not sure what's funnier... that you guys want to apply a standard you believe is false, based on a book you believe is a fairy tale, to Christians, or that you get mad when Christians want to apply a standard they believe is true to you... like that pesky going to hell thingy... [/quote]
The southern baptists can do what they want. I'm just calling them out for the douchebag's that they are. They're to be pointed and laughed at for their idiocy.
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[quote]So, as a Christian, could you point me to the Christian teaching in the bible that says not to associate with or teach woodland/nature skills to homosexuals? [/quote]
John 17:14-22
14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
2 Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Romans 12:2 "Do not be confirmed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may know the good, acceptable and perfect will of God."
John 17:14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
All verses where He instructs Christians to be in the world but not to be part of it. Fellowship and association with those who are "of this world" (defined as non-Christians; people who are worldly minded vs. eternally minded) are to be avoided. The church is simply disassociating themselves with an organization that has chosen to be 'of this world' in their basic foundation.
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gr8Dad
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"Did you support the boy scouts before they moved forward in that positive direction?"
Nope, pulled my oldest out when the policy became public (and honestly, was unaware of it before then) and never signed youngest up (we do 4H instead). Daughter was a Girl Scout for a while, pulled her when I realized it had become "The Feminazis in the Woods"...
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"Hmmmmmm...you can't get me to 'debate', so now you're going to drag my family into it? Can you possibly get much lower?"
First of all, this is MY thread, so YOU come onto it, and want to "debate" (else why would you come onto a thread and offer an opposing view), now you are saying I can't GET you to debate. Well, if you are not here to DEBATE, then say your piece and go away. If you ARE here to debate, well, then its not my job to GET you to debate. Other than that, you are just here to fvck with me, in which case, again, go away.
As for bringing you FAMILY into it, yeah, that SOUNDS good, IF I was insulting your family. I PITY your sister. She has YOU to put up with. I was NOT insulting your sister, I was expressing how HARD it must have been for her to have such a BIGOT and BYTCH for a sister, as she grew up gay in what was OBVIOUSLY a hostile environment.
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gr8Dad
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Are you fvcking THREE YEARS OLD? Just because a post STARTS with a sarcastic remark, does not mean the ENTIRE THING is sarcasm. Matter of fact, the most common USE of sarcasm is that in which the FIRST line or two is sarcastic, and that only becomes apparent when reading the REST of the paragraphs.
And you either DON'T know that and are a MORON, or you DO know that and are acting ignorant. If i HAD to chose, I would take the chinese menu option, and say that you are a MORON, acting IGNORANT.
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Well, first I will say that I WAS mistaken about thew Mormons founding the Boy Scouts. It was based on the teachings and activities of Frederick Russell Burnham, who was a child of missionary parents (obviously where the Mormon thing got started, but he was not a Mormon missionary).
"William Dickson "W. D." Boyce is the founder of the Boy Scouts and he was a Presbyterian. He modeled it after the Boy Scout Association in Britain."
I think you are referring to the BSA, or Boy Scouts of America.
"---> That's kind of a load question because 1) I don't believe the Bible says anything about 'rejecting' homosexuals"
Okay, so the Southern Baptist Convention is basing its bioy scout boycott on a FALSE belief, right?
"2) I don't believe the Bible distinguishes between adults and children when it discusses homosexuality."
Well, it does, specifically "call boys" or old time sexual "slaves" that were used for gratification by adults.
" I mean...it there a different name for homosexual children than there is for homosexual adults?"
Biblically, yes. I would explain it to you, but its YOUR book, maybe you should READ IT.
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Actually, having BEEN a Catholic, and NOT been proud of what the PEOPLE in the church have done (ie, pedophile priests, the cover up, etc), I was PROUD to see the stance that the Catholic Church has taken on this issue. They see no need to adjust ANYTHING< because we are talking about CHILDREN. Not contemplating going BACK, but I am proud of their stance.
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That is actually an interesting thing to delve into. Where I see a problem with that thinking, from MY opinion, of course, is that it is a self fufilling prophecy. You are making the assumption that homosexuals are "unclean" or "this worldly", and then using quotes from the bible with those descriptions and applying them to homosexuals.
Do you have a NEW TESTAMENT quote that SPECIFICALLY defines homosexuals as "unclean" or not worthy of saving?
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Now it just get's even funnier, since the church was brought into it.
The Boy Scouts are just as bad as the church, but you would never know it. They did the exact same thing, except since they are not a church, there is no need to take them down a peg.
A good read:
Scout's Honor: Sexual Abuse in America's Most Trusted Institution
Scout's Honor details decades of sexual abuse in the Boy Scouts, one of the country's most respected youth organizations. Drawing on interviews with victims, lawyers, prosecutors, and even convicted molesters, Patrick Boyle paints a distressing but accurate picture of betrayal in a place we all thought was safe.
About the Author:
Patrick Boyle is a veteran journalist whose reports on child abuse, mental illness, and drug addiction have won awards from the Society of Professional Journalists, the National Headliner Awards, the Missouri School of Journalism, and others. He has been a reporter for many newspapers, including the Washington Times, and a freelance reporter for the New York Times, ABC News, Woman's Day, Spy, and the American Journalism Review.
“We said they had 75 years of secret files about pedophiles, and that’s the way the evidence came in. I think that fact in itself was just staggering to the jury,” said Clark, Lewis’s lawyer. “They had a regular practice of placing guys on probation and then they would allow them to continue to be active in Scouting, not unlike some of what you saw in the Catholic church.”
Between the Church, The boy scouts, and the public school system, turns out the church is the safest. But the deniers will deny, insist that those facts do not matter, and continue to praise the boy scouts.....
At least they did not allow gay males to be scout leaders.
Bob Parks: " How would moms feel if a male scoutmaster took little girl scouts into the woods unescorted? Same reasoning applies to gays and the Boy Scouts. No bigotry here; just common sense."
maybe the biggest mistake was the Church sponsoring them in the first place...
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