Sherron
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"Yep, I was calling Red a murdering terrorist, you got me...and its DONE."
Not sure you needed to confirm the comparison, pretty sure everybody got it the first time around.
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Gecko
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Yeah, thats why I say keep it in your CHURCH, right?
---> Which is in the public and you have repeatedly said that religion shouldn't be public.
Nope AGAIN. I want a store to be free from Christian financial TERRORISM if they try and respect OTHER religions. The whole "Happy Holidays" thing is merely to respect ALL religions, instead of JUST Christianity. You folks didn't INVENT Christmas, stop acting like you OWN it.
---> Yes again. First of all, saying "Merry Christmas" does NOT disrespect other religions...doesn't force anyone to acknowledge Christ...it's just a freaking holiday greeting. I could understand being offended if I was saying "Happy Birthday Jesus" and demanding in some manner that you respond in kind.
---> Second...if say "Happy Holidays" isn't a big deal, then why is saying "Merry Christmas"? Why the demand to change it?
---> Third...NO ONE is demanding/requiring you to celebrate Christmas as a Christian holiday; it might surprise you to learn that Santa Claus, Frosty and Scrooge were NOT the "Three Wise Men". So why the push to make it a totally secular holiday?
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english7
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I agree with Gr8. This kid did something he knew would stir up anger. He pulled a fast one by ripping up his prepared speech and got his religious point in before an audience made up of family and friends of graduating seniors.
It was a public school, not a private one. As such, it must follow the rules set forth by the community Board of Ed. and taxpayers.
How likely was it that anyone in attendance who did not like his sneaking little change would leave before seeing the ceremony to its end? Not very. This kid had a captive audience and knew it.
A more appropriate action would have been for him to lead everyone in a silent prayer/meditation. Then everyone would have their way.
"the Supreme Court has made clear that "private religious speech, far from being a First Amendment orphan, is as fully protected under the Free Speech Clause as secular private expression."
This was not "private speech."
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Gecko
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This was not "private speech."
---> Yes is was. I think you are confusing the 'private' part of it; it's 'private' as in 'personal' NOT as 'not in public'.
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spinnerdegrassi
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Shitdicks like this kid will open their mouth up with their religious babble at some point in the workplace. They're too brainwashed to think otherwise. Then when they get fired for trying to promote their fake religion, they'll complain about how christians are persecuted in this country.
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gr8Dad
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I honestly got SO tired of Sherron and Gecko's BS about this, and their double speak and double stabdards, I put them both on ignore. Just not gonna engage, too content with where I am living.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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Gecko
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Yeah, thats why I say keep it in your CHURCH, right?
---> Uh huh. Stalin was raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith, then he became an atheist because it was a better way to control the masses than using religion. Initially, you were were free to worship in private and in your church, but public displays of religion outside of such designated areas was prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media.
Nope AGAIN. I want a store to be free from Christian financial TERRORISM if they try and respect OTHER religions. The whole "Happy Holidays" thing is merely to respect ALL religions, instead of JUST Christianity. You folks didn't INVENT Christmas, stop acting like you OWN it.
---> Yes again, because you have been very clear that you want Christians to 'shut up'. PEOPLE have the right to 'vote' with their money...it's called BOYCOTTING.
LMAO, Thanksgiving has NOTHING AT ALL to do with religion.
---> Sorry to say: "Prayers of thanks and special thanksgiving ceremonies are common among almost all religions after harvests and at other times. The Thanksgiving holiday's history in North America is rooted in English traditions dating from the Protestant Reformation. It also has aspects of a harvest festival, even though the harvest in New England occurs well before the late-November date on which the modern Thanksgiving holiday is celebrated."
Oddly enough, MANY MANY Christian groups have tried to eliminate it.
---> Just like Atheists are trying to eliminate any religious connection to Christmas.
You are playing victim, when you and yours are solely in control. Its really kinda pathetic.
---> Sorry hon, but you Atheists the one playing the victim. OMG...gotta get rid of that cross commemorating a fallen police officer on the highway...might go blind IF you catch sigh of it. OMG...can't have anyone praying in public...might go deaf if you hear it. OMG...can't say Merry Christmas...might be struck moot.
---> Where is the 'worse' that you were whining about? And why don't you point out where anyone HERE, since you keep saying "you Christians/you people" have done any of thing you keep saying we have done.
You have EXCUSED your name calling and want to criticize MINE, LMAO, that is just SO out in left field, there is nothing further to discuss.
---> I didn't excuse it and it's not out of left field because if you read about the name calling, you ALSO read about how YOU said that respect is a two-way street, but no one has received any respect from you.
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Gecko
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I honestly got SO tired of Sherron and Gecko's BS about this, and their double speak and double stabdards
---> Translation: I can't refute anything they say. They won't allow me to twist their words. They won't let me use analogies that have nothing to do with the discussion. They keep reminding about the stuff I'm not answering. The repost stuff I have said in the past to prove that I'm a hypocrite.
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Sherron
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"I honestly got SO tired of Sherron and Gecko's BS about this, and their double speak and double stabdards, I put them both on ignore. Just not gonna engage, too content with where I am living."
Ah yes, nothing like getting in one more attack before the public declaration of "La la la, I caaaaan't heeeeeear youuuuu"... but, I get it... you have come on "my thread" attacking, insulting, belittling, name calling, bullying, all in an effort to stifle free speech, merely on the basis that you disagree with it. I've remained civil and respectful to you in our disagreement, and when you couldn't force your baseless and unconstitutional opinion through, you decided that you do not want to hear any more about views that you disagree with, that you couldn't proof wrong, that you couldn't bully into submission, that you couldn't shut down...
Double standards, let's see... it was certainly good to see you go from being against freedom of speech, to for it, to now against it...
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english7
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"---> Yes is was. I think you are confusing the 'private' part of it; it's 'private' as in 'personal' NOT as 'not in public'. "
Please elaborate because, yes, I'm confused by your (or my) understanding of "private" speech.
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