c_jane
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3-year-old deaf boy may be forced to change the way he signs his name. School officials say his sign looks too much like a gun.
W w w .thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/three-year-old-deaf-boy-told-to-change-his-name-school-says-his-sign-looks-too-much-like-a-gun-video/
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Redlegg
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I guess there is no better time for "Here's your sign"
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gr8Dad
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OLD story, and he wants to use a non standardized version of ASL, which i not doing the child ANY Service, as he will be expected to know ASL in real life outside of school.
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Sherron
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"OLD story, and he wants to use a non standardized version of ASL, which i not doing the child ANY Service, as he will be expected to know ASL in real life outside of school."
SEE is standardized and is used successfully in some public schools... it just depends on the needs and the goals of the particular child and his family. Manual coded English systems bridge the literacy gap of ASL, and since low literacy is a common factor in the deaf community, your claim that SEE doesn't do the child "ANY service" is false. Gallaudet supports signed English, so it's not just some meritless, obscure system. FYI, the school uses ASL, so there is no issue with him not learning it. I get the SEE/ASL debate, but if that is what his parents want to teach him, more power to them. In the end, Hunter got to keep his name, and what a stupid thing for the school to even make an issue of.
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Which has what to do with the story...which is that the kid's signature supposedly looks like a gun and the teacher wants him to learn how to sign his name differently.
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Redlegg
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Imagine if his name was actually Gunnar..........getting suspended every day would suck :)
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spinnerdegrassi
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The parents can give him a new name.
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gr8Dad
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"which is that the kid's signature supposedly looks like a gun and the teacher wants him to learn how to sign his name differently"
The whole "gun" thing is the PARENTS OPINION. The FACT of the matter is that his parents are teaching him SEE, while the school requires ASL. Hey, guess what, if you want your kid to converse in ancient sanskrit, great, but the school is not going to have a TEACHER that SPEAKS that, so he or she will have to learn basic ENGLISH (or at least SPANISH) as well.
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Sherron
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"The whole "gun" thing is the PARENTS OPINION. The FACT of the matter is that his parents are teaching him SEE, while the school requires ASL. Hey, guess what, if you want your kid to converse in ancient sanskrit, great, but the school is not going to have a TEACHER that SPEAKS that, so he or she will have to learn basic ENGLISH (or at least SPANISH) as well."
Not sure what you're not getting here... SEE is not an opinion, the school is communicating with him in ASL, the question was whether or not he gets to keep his name sign that he's been using since he can remember, or does he have to change it because someone finds it threatening. Ironically, SEE is closer to English than ASL is, and ASL counts as a foreign language requirement in a few HSs and colleges, so your analogy doesn't really work...
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gr8Dad
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SEE is NOT TAUGHT in the school, so the kids NAME, as the PARENTS taught him in SEE, is not RECOGNIZED. The gun thing was NEVER EVER EVER EVER said by ANYONE at the school.
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Sherron
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"SEE is NOT TAUGHT in the school, so the kids NAME, as the PARENTS taught him in SEE, is not RECOGNIZED. The gun thing was NEVER EVER EVER EVER said by ANYONE at the school. "
I know SEE is not taught in the school, I'm the one who told you that lol... the parents can name their child whatever they want to, from whatever language they choose to. It is not up to the school to demand a child change their name.
Question... how would you say Hunter's name in ASL...
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gr8Dad
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"It is not up to the school to demand a child change their name."
No, but the parents ALSO cannot demand that it be spelled using CYRILLIC letters. They CAN dictate the LANGUAGE that is used in their school.
"Question... how would you say Hunter's name in ASL..."
Well, I do not SPEAK ASL, but I would guess you would either spell out H...U...N...etc or you would use the word "hunter" (as in one who hunts).
ETA: Suppose I don't want MY child to learn math using the decimal system (0-9) and instead want him to learn Octal (0-7)? Should I be able to demand that the school use octal?
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Edited by gr8Dad (06/10/13 09:51 AM)
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Redlegg
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Only if his name is Dewey.....
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Sherron
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"No, but the parents ALSO cannot demand that it be spelled using CYRILLIC letters. They CAN dictate the LANGUAGE that is used in their school."
Well, good thing they're using SEE... Signed Exact English... they do use English at the school, right?
"Well, I do not SPEAK ASL, but I would guess you would either spell out H...U...N...etc or you would use the word "hunter" (as in one who hunts)."
No, name signs are not fingerspelled... I'm not aware that there is a word for "hunter" in ASL, so the closest would be "hunt", and guess what that looks like...
"ETA: Suppose I don't want MY child to learn math using the decimal system (0-9) and instead want him to learn Octal (0-7)? Should I be able to demand that the school use octal?"
We're not talking about changing the curriculum, we are talking about a child's name. Analogy fail.
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gr8Dad
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"We're not talking about changing the curriculum, we are talking about a child's name."
No, the childs NAME would still be HUNTER, just using ASL instead of SEE, as the cirriculum dictates.
"Analogy fail."
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Sherron
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"No, the childs NAME would still be HUNTER, just using ASL instead of SEE, as the cirriculum dictates.
Even if a curriculum dictated a student's name... what would be "hunter" in ASL... or "hunt" anyway... I get you don't go to other sites, but maybe others do and will see the lack of logic in your argument.
signingsavvy.com/sign/HUNT/1518/1
"Three year-old Hunter Spanjer was told to change his name.
School officials say his sign looks too much like a gun."
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gr8Dad
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"Even if a curriculum dictated a student's name..."
Oh, you are SO FVCKING STUPID that you REALLY got that from what I posted? After accusing ME of being obtuse, LOL.
Have a great day.
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gr8Dad
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"School officials say his sign looks too much like a gun"
Yeah, saw that when the stroy first aired. Odd thing was that the parents SAID the "school" said that, but they COULDN'T remember the officials NAME, and there is NO RECORD of ANYONE saying that to ANYONE.
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"Oh, you are SO FVCKING STUPID that you REALLY got that from what I posted? After accusing ME of being obtuse, LOL.
Have a great day."
What would be "Hunter" in ASL... you demand it'd be changed to ASL, so what would it be...
"Yeah, saw that when the stroy first aired. Odd thing was that the parents SAID the "school" said that, but they COULDN'T remember the officials NAME, and there is NO RECORD of ANYONE saying that to ANYONE."
How would you know, you don't go to other sites, maybe you just missed it.
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gr8Dad
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"What would be "Hunter" in ASL... you demand it'd be changed to ASL, so what would it be..."
I don't know ASL, as I said before. What would hunter be in Eygptian Hyrogliphics? Doesn't matter, the curriculum at the school is ASL.
"How would you know, you don't go to other sites, maybe you just missed it."
I don't go to other sites on YOUR command, I do, on occasion visit other sites on my computer. I saw this story, and AS my children speak ASL, it interested me and I researched it. But,m since you are just slightly less annoying to me than a pimple on my ASS, and about as intelligent, I am done speaking with you, have a great day.
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Sherron
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"I don't know ASL, as I said before. What would hunter be in Eygptian Hyrogliphics? Doesn't matter, the curriculum at the school is ASL.
I don't go to other sites on YOUR command, I do, on occasion visit other sites on my computer. I saw this story, and AS my children speak ASL, it interested me and I researched it. But,m since you are just slightly less annoying to me than a pimple on my ASS, and about as intelligent, I am done speaking with you, have a great day."
Maybe you should ask your children then... since you're so interested in the story, you should probably understand what change you're suggesting.
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