Curmudgeon
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[quote]...'cause women are a helpless abused minority. [/quote]
I'd love to be a witness if you ever confronted my wife and told her that. She'd crush you like cowardly little runt you are.
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LegallyAbused
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Curmudgeon:
1st - Name-calling is childish.
2nd - You missed the point. His point is that the courts, and society, ASSUME 'women are a helpless abused minority' -- when in fact we all know differently.
This 'assumption' has led to the creation of countless laws that legally and financially persecute the vast majority of law-abiding, decent, loving, caring non-custodial parents, and the creation of a true helpless, abused minority --- NCP Fathers.
3rd - I do not condone violence against anyone. The continued, and increasing, legally-backed financial persecution of men (or any gender, race, religion, etc.) cannot be sustained indefintely without some form of negative backlash.
When will women (in general) understand that the laws and precedents they are acheiving (due to said 'assumption'), and promoting, will come back to haunt them -- in the form of legal and financial abuse against their own male children?
PS. I'd like to be on the jury when your wife is on trial for 'crushing' somebody because they excercised their freedom of speech.
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Curmudgeon
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That would be metaphorically only.
The point is, not all women accept the docile or dependent role and not all the courts are so biased any longer. I've seen significant changes in the courts' approach in the 14 years since I was first involved in divorce proceedings.
But of course, to acknowledge that there has been growth in this area would certainly take the wind out of the sails of many and might force some to have to abandon the victim role.
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gr8Dad
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"But of course, to acknowledge that there has been growth in this area would certainly take the wind out of the sails of many and might force some to have to abandon the victim role."
Yeah, right. And the civil rights movement came after the abolition of slavery, didn't it? NOW was established well after the sufferage movement.
I agree, many things have changed, but may more still need to change. It took one black woman refusing to sit at the back of the bus to bring the inequality in the treatment of blacks to the forefront.
Unfortunately, despite the REAMS of info and stories of men that are screwed over on a regular basis, the courts CONTINUE to treat men that way.
And no one seems to CARE. Let a golf course exclude women from playing, and it makes NATIONAL news. Yet the government passes legislation that SPECIFICALLY excludes men, not only in the wording of the law, but in the TITLE OF THE LAW (Violence Against Women Act), and a LOT of women in general fight for it to be passed. TONS of proof that domestic violence effects both genders, and the people who support VAWA ignore it, even REFUTE it, and some claim that NO men are victims of DV.
There is a bill in California right now that SPECIFICALLY excludes men in the language. How far do you think a law would get, for example, that was called the "Caucasian Victims of Crime" bill?
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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Curmudgeon
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I'm a legislative and political analyst.
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mtdew
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[quote] I was forced from my good employment (1st time) due to excessive support. [/quote]
I'm just curious, not being accusatory at all. How were you forced from good employment due to excessive support?
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Miranda
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[quote]I'm just curious, not being accusatory at all. How were you forced from good employment due to excessive support? [/quote]
What does that really mean? The excessive support part...
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Edited by Miranda (09/16/06 08:55 PM)
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gr8Dad
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...it is AB 2051.
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Curmudgeon
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At first glance the bill appears to be gender neutral and geared to the GBLT population.
The bill does, in fact, contain language regarding women with no corresponding language for men in Section 12450 of the Health and Safety Code. However, the bill amends that section and the portion regarding the definition of domestic violence is existing law.
When legislation amends an existing statute the relevant section(s) in its entirety is replicated in the bill.
I'll have to track all the versions of the bill to find out precisely what it's adding to statute and what it's amending but I'll do that Monday from my office. I prefer to enjoy my Sunday NOT doing legal research since I already do it five days a week.
By the way, the bill has been enrolled, which means both houses have passed it, and is on its way to the Governor for signing or a veto. He has until the 30th to take action. If he doesn't, the bill passes into law and will be effectiove as of 1-1-07. After I've analyzed it I'll give you my take on what I think he'll do since part of what I do is make those recommendations to him on bills that fall within my current policy area, taking into full consideration the political consequences.
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Curmudgeon
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The bill is double-joined to AB 1101 which means that if either of them are signed the provisions would become law because the last signed would chapter out those provisions in the first signed but the provisions are identical.
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