Eric
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Gonzo's Bar & Grill is a site that supporters of men's rights activists (MRA) need to frequent often.
Be sure to read the comments to his blog...
Eric
http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/gonz/2005/06/lions-and-tigers-and-misogynists-oh-my.htm
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Tuesday, June 07, 2005
Lions and Tigers and Misogynists, Oh My!
"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
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-Lewis Carrol, in "Through The Looking Glass and What Alice Found There"
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I don’t know which is the more tired and weary tactic of feminuts; if they’re not snottily accusing any man who dares to stand up to them of sexual inadequacy, then they are quick to slap out the old label of “Misogynist” or variations thereof and place it on anything that they fear or feel threatens them.
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Anymore it’s the rhetorical equivalent of “poopyhead” and I suppose those who utter such twaddle are the intellectual equivalent of 6 year olds. Nonetheless, despite the fact that it displays a certain logical vacuousness, it has become all the rage nowadays, in fact very trendy if the truth be known. It’s a conveniently broad term: “Hatred of women” is the definition of it in just about every dictionary I have looked it up in, and the self-annointed spokes-trolls of all things feminine have decided that if one opposes the feminist agenda, then one must oppose all women.
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Decide that the feminista solution isn’t the answer, and question their prescription for society? Misogynist! It’s no longer a term which actually describes something, it’s a squelch. It’s a retreat point when reason and arguments fail – “I don’t have to debate you – you’re a (insert ominous Soap-Opera like organ music here) MISOGYNIST!”
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Hatred of a class of people is a pretty specific thing. And it’s not necessarily bad. I hate Nazis. Members of the Ku Klux Klan. Pedophiles. God help my “misogynist” ass, I hate rapists – real ones, anyway. I hate political correctness, eggs, the idiot who dumped half his garage in my favorite fishing spot because he didn’t want to pay $10 to the county landfill, and a host of other persons.
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The difference, I guess, is that hatred is based on what people of a group do as opposed to what they are. In that same vein I hate feminists. I won’t associate with them. I have been known to throw them out of my house, fire them, refuse contracts to work for them, and even as recent as February I pulled up to help some womyn who had a flat – until I saw her “I’ll be post-feminist in the post-patriarchy” sticker, whereupon I put the truck back in gear and sped along.” Patriarchy this. Bloody your own damn knuckles in the freezing winter. I’ll help a lady, but a feminist ain’t no lady.
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I’ve even got a collage of feminist icons under a layer of polyurethane on the back of the urinal I installed a couple years ago. It’s the way to start the day off right, let me tell you what. I tend to regard feminists as having no appreciable difference from, and the moral equivalent of a Klansman or a Nazi, and I’ll have no part of them beyond the cold and proper civility required in my professional life.
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Hatred is a thing that demands some sort of actualization, some action to make it real. People who hate a race, for instance, typically give them less than stellar customer service in the work world, find the most onerous tasks to assign them in a supervisory capacity, deny them basic human decency unless they are legally required otherwise, and other such things. They tend to advocate at best a second class existence for such people, where their basic human rights must take a second place to the wants of other classes of folks.
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Just giving some black guy a shovel and telling him to go muck the stables isn’t racism if that is the job you hired him for. Likewise it isn’t “misogyny” if you hand it to a woman in the same situation, though far to many of the spoilt femikook princesses infesting the world tend to see it that way. The horror of demanding actual equal work for the equal pay they want is too much for them to bear sometimes. I ran a paint crew back in my college years, for instance, and every now and again I would be stuck with this one girl who was in the labor pool. She couldn’t lift a five gallon bucket of paint, couldn’t handle a 40 foot ladder to carry or put up, couldn’t tote the sprayer, took forever with the roller extension – all tasks which the most weenie of her male counterparts handled with ease. In short, she didn’t do equal work. She didn’t do equal production. She had to have someone come over and “help” her, which put two people on a task that was supposed to be handled by one, or stood by and watched while other people (the men) did the heavy labor.
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Of course, though, that nobody wanted her, that she was always picked last if at all was “sexism.” The fact that she was a physically weak specimen who as often than not actually hindered when she wasn’t standing around with her finger in her ear couldn’t be the real issue. Built in victim status, and a willingness to drop a specious charge kept her on the dole there for two years, getting equal pay for unequal work.
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It’s a pattern I have observed with far too much frequency. I want to be able to take time off on a moments notice for PTA meetings, recitals. I can’t work mandatory overtime – my kids need me. I need a day off – it’s that time of the month. You have to excuse my unprofessional outburst – I’m PMSing. I can’t come in today, my fourteen year old who can take care of themselves has a belly-ache. I want a daycare that is going to cost time, personnel, space, and other resources as a special benefit for me and mine. I want special rules to cater to my delicate sensibilities, special exceptions, special treatment, extra time off – and how dare you think I am more trouble than I am worth? You MISOGYNIST!!
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Give me a break.
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Not accommodating special wishes or wants is not the same as “hating” someone by even the wildest stretch of imagination. Refusing to step on someone’s civil rights for the sake of another class of people is not the same as hating that class. Advocating sauce for the goose as sauce for the gander is not hatred, or misogyny, except to some ideologically driven feminist asswipe.
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When one proposes double standards on people based on an accident of birth, that is hatred of that class. When one proposes special treatment of one’s class, special privileges, special protections – especially when that comes at the expense of another class – that is putting hatred into action. And these are things which feminists and feminism have been guilty of in spades.
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And while time and space prohibits right now, please, oh please, ask me for examples.
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The rhetoric and ire of Men’s groups, to be blunt, has been directed in the vast and overwhelming majority of cases not against women, but against feminists. And that is not hatred of a person or persons because of what they are, but because of what they do; and the calumny and indignity heaped upon this pack of horse-faced schnauzers and curs is richly deserved. They deserve the same infamy and notoriety as any other hate movement, and the more swiftly they are placed on the rubbish heap of human history, the better.
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Men, and MRA’s should not feel in the least guilty about targeting feminists for ridicule or for excoriating them at every opportunity, and that goes for the bunch of rats that tend to flock about such piles of human flotsam and debris. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that on the desk of everyone who calls themselves and MRA should be a sign which reads “Have you kicked a feminist today?”
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http://www.transnational.org/forum/meet/2005/Schyman_FeministInitiative.html
Feminist Initiative has a vision of a world in which all humans have the same potential and ability to live full and complete lives. This vision does not correspond to our lived reality. Women are systematically subordinated to men. This is something we want to change. Feminist Initiative continues the struggle and hard work undertaken by women throughout history to improve their lives; a tireless labour, which still takes place in homes, workplaces, streets, and schools, in literature, in music, at the theatre and in the media. Feminist Initiative puts feminist issues and concerns at the top of the political agenda.
Feminist Initiative turns to women who want to abolish the patriarchal order and to those men who join this struggle in solidarity.
Feminist Initiative does not believe that all women can agree on everything. Women differ from one another. Our interests, hopes, and wishes are different. Our circumstances, prospects, and resources divide us. We are ascribed different societal positions based on our economic conditions and our class identity, our degree of education, our country of birth, our sexual preference, our skin colour and our cultural belonging. We also differ in our values and our ways of constructing value systems.
But beyond the differences lies one similarity: women's lives, choices, and opportunities are restricted by the patriarchal power structure. Patriarchal society allows men to define, subordinate, and discriminate against women. The power relations between women and men may take many forms and expressions, but they always work to the disadvantage of women.
Feminist Initiative makes demands from the point of view of a feminist analysis, which shows that although women speak with different voices, are situated in different locations, have different experiences, and live different lives under different conditions, we are all confronted by the power structure that puts men in positions of superiority and women in positions of inferiority. Within this structure, the things that men are, do and say take on a higher value than the things that women are, do, and say. This order is a social problem and a problem of justice; above all it is a problem of democracy.
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Feminist Initiative sees the conditions under which women live. Images of women as sexual objects confront us every day. Men subject women to violence on a daily basis. Men rape women and girls. Women who transgress the social boundaries of gender and sexuality are harassed and discriminated against. Many single mothers live under serious economic duress. Trafficking in women occurs daily around the world, as well as in Sweden. The global labour market exploits the labour of underprivileged women.
In Sweden, the gender-based income gap is increasing. Female-dominated professions consistently have low salaries. Much of the work performed by women is still both invisible and unpaid. Women carry out the majority of domestic chores and take responsibility for providing care, in the public as well as domestic spheres. Women are discriminated against professionally, with the motivation that we bear children - regardless of whether we actually do. Women receive a smaller retirement pension than men. Women are underprioritized in medical research and health care. Elderly women are subjected to poor treatment.
Women who do not fit into a white Western norm are ascribed an "other" ethnic identity and marginalized. Disabled women are discriminated against. Women's lives are put at risk because Swedish refugee policy lacks consideration for women's reasons to seek asylum. The judicial system with its courts of law acquits men who have perpetrated rape and abuse, while women and girls suffer the consequences. Women are less able than men to take up space, make themselves heard and be taken seriously within the educational, professional, corporate and judicial structures, as well as in the realms of culture, politics, and the media. We want to change all this, and much more.
Feminist Initiative also sees that the global patriarchal power system, which operates and sustains itself through violence and warfare, leads to an unequal distribution of the world's resources as well as ruthless exploitation and destruction of the environment.
The regime of violence forces large parts of the world's population, especially women and children, into lives in extreme poverty. Girls are denied the right to education. Children are forced into child labour and prostitution, and are recruited as child soldiers. Feminist Initiative sees international solidarity and an anti-militaristic stance as fundamental aspects of its work.
Feminist Initiative is devoted to the thought of freeing women from gender-based inequality and injustice. We turn to the patriarchal order with our demands. We cannot permit decisions that allow some women to liberate themselves from inequality at the expense of others. We strive for the liberation of all women. This is how we create solidarity among women; this is how we continue the feminist struggle.
Feminist Initiative has grown tired of insufficient measures. Nearly all Swedish political parties call themselves feminist, but women's lives remain unchanged, day in and day out, year after year. Despite many women's tireless efforts within party politics, women's interests have never been given adequate priority.
Swedish gender politics have hitherto been based on a view of equality as a non-zero sum game, meaning that women's conditions can improve without affecting those of men. Feminist Initiative builds its politics upon an analysis, which makes it clear that women's subordination results from the privileging of men. Therefore, men must agree to relinquish their privileges. We share this analysis with contemporary women's networks and organizations, as well as with the women's movement, which throughout history has fought for the human rights of women.
Feminist Initiative formulates a politics, which in every area and aspect of life poses a challenge to patriarchy. We anticipate a large degree of resistance, but expect an even larger and stronger feminist desire for change.
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