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Wondering where everyone stands and why?
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Why would someone join a board and their first post be one of the hotest topics they could think of? Do you like seeing online fights?
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Probably becuase the same is on the men's boArd.
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jasmine06
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Can't people have a discussion without fighting?
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Jasmine,
You go first...what are you?
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jasmine06
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Pro-choice I fully believe that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body.
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Me: 100% Pro Choice, but I do have an issue with parital birth abortions if the mother's life is not in danger.
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hippie1981
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I'm Pro-Choice as well.
Anti-choice people scare me.
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[quote]I'm Pro-Choice as well.
Anti-choice people scare me. [/quote]
Try living in OK where they have kid's holding signs saying "Don't Kill Me!" Scary..
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And no, because the minute someone comes in and gives the opposite opinion, someone else will be on them like white on rice.
And being that someone joins a board for divorce, and the first thing they post is one of the most heated topics around, it's suspect.
But I'll play your little game...
I'm pro-responsibility. Figure that one out.
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I am pro-life..except in extreme cases (rape, danger to mother's life)
With all the birth control options available today, there is no reason to get pregnant (except in cases of rape or incest). There are also choices available for mothers who do not want to keep their babies.
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Someone who understood "pro-responsibility". ;)
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jasmine06
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Difference of opinion is one thing but why would someone jump on someone else just for that?
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Why would they jump on someone for different religious beliefs? Different political beliefs? It happens all the time. Abortion, religion, politics...they're extremely hot topics.
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jasmine06
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Can't people just respect others opinions I always do.
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Pro-life.
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Your quote is classic!!!!
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Thank you...it is also 100% true!
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I'm pro-choice, however I think if I were in the position to have to make that choice, I would NOT abort. I think there are a lot of emotional/mental consequences in doing it.
There are some people who wouldn't think twice and once they get the abortion just be relieved and not think of it again. Then there are people like me who would feel riddled with guilt and regret and I'd also find myself wondering what the child would have been like for the REST of my life.
Does this sound hypocrytical?
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jasmine06
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No its no hypocritical.Pro CHOICE doesn't mean you have to have one just if the situation arose you have the choice.
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Well for me, the thought of having another child at my age is terrifying to say the least and I take every precaution to avoid it. However, no matter how horrible I think it would be to get pregnant and how I would SOOOOOOO NOT be looking forward to bringing up another child at my age, the thought of aborting is worse. This is not to say that I would love the child any less than I do my DS.
I don't know. I have so many mixed feelings about this issue. Yes, I think a woman should have the right to choose but I also think that there are too many women out there who (if they don't want a child) should use a VERY good form of birth control. There are some who I've heard of that have had abortions 2 or 3 times. WTF is up with that?
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jasmine06
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That's true a lot of times the unborn is better off not being born. When a child is brought into a bad situation a lot of the time the authorities don't do their job. Everyone makes their own decisions.
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That is my stance as well, while I could/would not do it my stance should not dictate or limit the options for others.
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Pro-choice.
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What age is that? Just curious.
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[quote]What age is that? Just curious. [/quote]
Does it matter? Or do you want her to say she is 40 so you can say you are a 40 year old mother to a newborn?
I am 32 (STB 33) am the thought of another baby makes me break out into hives, I don't even want to think about it
Different strokes for different folks.
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if it didn't "matter". ;)
Since I previously already posted, back when I was pregnant, or just after delivering, about the delima we faced, and the same questions we had, that she just posted about...it mattered to me that someone else faced similar questions and what their take was on it at that time too.
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With all the birth control options available today, there is no reason to get pregnant (except in cases of rape or incest).
---> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...oxymoron. If there are "no reasons" because of birth control, then why are there "exceptions"?
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? Because if you are raped or a victim of incest, you may have not HAD a previous reason to BE on birth control (i.e. age). I don't see your oxymoron in my statement.
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Isn't an oxymoron like saying "pretty ugly"? I don't see one either...
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"What age is that? Just curious."
I'll be 41 at the end of December. 5 years ago, when my SO and I decided to move in together I informed him that if I was to have another child it would have to be before I turned 40. That didn't happen, so I'm done.....hopefully. ;)
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God that sounds familar. Just a little different. I thought I was finished having kids, didn't want anymore anyway. And doctor's didn't think hubby COULD have kids. So we didn't bother with any birth control. And we were together 9 years before...whoops. I was 40 too. Hubby however was 50 and this was his first. But then, we gave this topic a fleeting thought. No way I could do it. Regardless of the circumstances. It wasn't just the age then, there were other problems at the time, serious problems...no jobs, no home for starters. Yet it all worked out and we wouldn't have it any other way now.
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I just re-read over this and I think I'm getting your posts backwards. Perhaps you're saying you wouldn't want to have another at your age? At first I took it to mean you were having one now and had reservations about your age.
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OMG!! I think I'd rather be tarred and feathered!!! LOL
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[quote]Why would someone join a board and their first post be one of the hotest topics they could think of? Do you like seeing online fights? [/quote]
Because it is NOT her first post because she is Hypnotique2306. Check her ISP.
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jasmine06
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I think what you mean is an IP not an ISP.
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Miranda
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[quote]I think what you mean is an IP not an ISP. [/quote]
No you idiot...you've never heard of an Internet SERVICE Provider??? Why don't you go troll somewhere else or update your myspace with a new photo or something.
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jasmine06
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ISP gives you random numbers. I know my IP address by heart and it starts 192.
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An ISP provides an internt connection. An Ip is different. Each machine connected to the Internet has an address known as an Internet Protocol address (IP address). The IP address takes the form of four numbers separated by dots, for example: 123.45.67.890. That is what you see with the posts.
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DoneDeal
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So if I change names like I did here, the IP Should stay the same.
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Or here. I created all these when our friend E ric was around causing trouble.
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Get it?
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[quote]Get it? [/quote]
No.
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LOL
Who wrote those posts? Of course, you can always use a proxy server and the numbers would be different for each.
I am not sure what happens if I sign in on my lap top on a wireless network. I assume it is the same.
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What does proxy mean?
I think dial up is different all the time too, when my H uses his wireless his number changes all the time...it is kind of weird and too hard for me to understand.
I hate computers. (except when it comes to posting on this site:)
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Google the term "proxy servers"
there are a bunch out there where you can log in and route your internet transmissions through them. the trace goes back to that proxy server rather than your computer. It is like routing a phone call through another port.
It allows you to anonymously cruise the internet.
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What does this mean: "Is proxy: false"?
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No--a proxy means desigating someone else. You are essentially designating a different site as the source of the message. Think of it this way. If I wanted to tell you something, but I did not want youto know it is me. I could whisper it to someone else and they relaty the message. that is the equivalent of desigating a proxy.
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Still don't get it but thanks anyway...LOL.
I think I am too old for all this fancy computer talk.
I feel like I am reading my old Smith and Roberson's Business Law book:)
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Let me try one more time. When you send an electronic signal it goes from point "A" to point "B". If you want to know who sent it, point "A" has a house address. It is called an IP address. When you use a proxy, you send your signal from point "A" to point "C" to point "B". As a result, the address that show up is point "C." Not only that, but the proxies shuffle the addresses. As a result, Address "C" can change. It is not a direct transmission.
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Good job Maury!! That made perfect sense. Thanks!!
I am being serious.
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Yeah for me. Now if I can just figure out you women. Too many moving parts.
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OK Maury...I was with you during the A, B, C explanation. Now where do I find these numbers? Are they the ones lister here in the cookie section?
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Yeah, it will change with dial-up. But...do people still use dial-up? Egads.
There are also some cable connections that will change randomly. However, they only change the last digits. The number will still point to the same location, same ISP.
Maury if you sign in from another computer, through a networked connection, you should have a different IP, but only perhaps one number different. IE: Mine is 192.168.1.102 and hubby's (networked computer) is 192.168.1.101.
As for "getting it" ;) ....Maury signed in with different handles, but each of the IP#s are the same for all three handles because he posted from the same computer...without using a proxy server which opens up a whole 'nother can of worms, enabling someone to keep their IP secret and use a phoney IP that can be changed each time.
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In parentheses next to the post date and time.
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I am soo dumb, I did not even know that was Maury LOL I was wondering where those people came from. I think it is time for bed now...my attention to detail is horrible tonight.
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Look at the header of each post. There is a name either Maury or donedeal or monster. Look at the number under it. They are all the same. No matter how I sign in it is the same number. That is the IP address. Mine looked like this (72.244.127.187)
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Well Maury I know that, but I did not even bother looking at the numbers on the header to cross check them.
So why donedeal and monster? And all that was for E ric. I wonder what happened to him?
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He had several IP's and names and was using the boards--through proxies--to agree with his idiotic posts. So I returned suit. It is nice to have an ally --even when it is you. I may have also used them a couple times to provide personal opinions when I thought that it was better not to say those things with people knowing my profession.
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[censored] :D :D :D
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I agree with the censored comments. He still flirts around sites he has been banned from. I imagine he is still holed up in his mother's basement planning on destroying the fabric of America. Funny thing is, I don't disagree with his basic tenant (a presumption for joint physical custody), just his misogynstic approach.
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You are so right! In fact--brilliant!
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Um..can I say neither?
I have been to both of their rallies (a pro-life rally as well as a NARAL one back when I was trying to find myself in HS) and they are BOTH the scariest motherf---ers I have ever met.
I suppose you could say pro-choice, because I am not entirely convinced that outlawing the procedure would do any good.
But, it scares the heck out of me that a surgical procedure performed in essentially a doctor's office with no health/safety inspections by an outside regulatory agency or mandatory reporting of mishaps is considered "safe." Especially when you consider that any OB/GYN that is competent can make an excellent living without performing this procedure. What doctors are left performing this procedure? The crappy ones and the ones so passionate that they put their own lives in jeopardy as well as their families? I don't like those odds.
Considering that, it also scares the hell out of me that my teenage daughter without my knowledge or consent could go get one. Or lie and say I beat her so she doesn't have to tell me. Being hormonal and pregnant at any age can cause some irrational decisions, but at 15? I don't think my child should be at risk just because a FEW children have uber-shytty parents.
I firmly support REAL counseling for people beforehand. Not scary aborted fetus pictures or anything, but information. Like abortions don't save relationships. If he says he'll leave you if you don't have one - he's already gone. He has to pay CS no matter what he says, and here is how to get it. Abortions don't make it "like it never happened," its not a magic erasure. It makes so when you got pregnant you didn't have a child. That's it. You still have to make your peace with this pregnancy. Here is a list of non-profits/agencies willing to help you if you want to have this child, but feel you can't. A list of adoption options and explaining them carefully - it's not a "leave your baby at the hospital and never see them again" kind of thing unless YOU want it to be. And yes, a 24 hour wait after counseling to think things over.
I also think there needs to be better accomodations for single mothers at a college and university level. Like dormitories for single parents, kid meal plans, and daycare tailored to the needs of college students. And you should be able to cover these expenses with student loans.
Bottom line I had 3 friends get pregnant in college and each made a different choice. Only one of them is regret-free about her decision. She is the proud parent of a 7 year old. The friend who put her baby up for adoption had a hard time at first (exascerbated by the death of the baby's father 2 years later), but I don't think she REGRETS what she did. It just hurts.
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What is NARAL?
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National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
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[quote]National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League [/quote]
Wow! I have never heard of it. I gotta get out more!
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I think Jon Stewart put it best when he said something to the effect of that this country is run by extremists, because the rest of us have sh!t to do. This is one of those issues that has become so polarized by the extremists on either side, that you can't interject any sensible middle ground.
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That is because all the sensible middle ground people are too busy trying to earn a living for their families.
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I am pro proxy and anti IP
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Mom2Girls
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Hi,
This is just my humble opinion, please dont shread me for what I am about to share, all of which was very personal and extreemly sad...
My feelings and something I have been through and another thing I have had a family go through...all leading to why I feel this way:
I am pro-choice, a woman should have the right to decide if she wants to have a baby or not. I think however things of this nature need some guidelines.
I think that nobody under 18 should be able to consent unless a parent or another adult is with them. I also think that people who go through this at a very young age or due to rape should be offered counseling.
I am however a very strong believer in being 1st and formost responsible with your reproductive health.
When I was 19 I got pregnant, by my 1st husband, who was attending school and was 20 at that time. It was a total mistake, a very stupid one to say the least. Usually we used birth control but that one evening we convinced ourselves together that just once it would be ok since it was so late into my cycle, bad move.
I learned a week later I was pregnant, back then the test took 2 hrs (OTC test). I spent weeks trying to figure out how I was to tell my parents, my mother was very old fashoned and I knew it would hurt her deeply to know I had done what I had.
My soon to be 1st husband mean while tried to convince me to terminate the pregnancy (his exact words for it). I was terrified to keep the baby but just as afraid of abortion, especially after how I was raised and what I was told about it. He set an appointment at a womans clinic for a blood test, when the nurse called us in to tell me I was pregnant for certain he asked to set the appointment for the abortion. I literally ran out the office, down the stairs and demanded to go home. I was working full time and decided one morning (a friday) that when I got home I would tell both my parents (knowing that as soon as I did they would be hurt and angry but would help me do what I needed to do and I would keep the baby. I never got to have that conversation with them. That afternoon I had a miscarrage at the office. I rushed to the clinic where an ultrasound showed I passed the baby already (so small I didnt even know I had).
My mother went to her grave 2 yrs ago, I never told her what happened, I wanted to tell her that I believed I had a little angel waiting for me, since I do believe that life starts at conception.
This is why I think nobody has the right to decide for someone if they can have a baby or not. Abortion was not something I could have ever gone through BUT its not for me to impose that on someone who feels differently.
I do however not like late term abortion. My cousin and his wife are about 10 yrs younger then I am, they are the sweetest pair you could ever meet. She is an RN working with children and he loves kids and is a teacher. It took the 2 yrs to get pregnant but something went wrong. The baby grew but her head was open in the back, part of the brain stem was exposed and the spine was also open. They did not know for certain till she was too far into it to have an abortion as I know it. They had to fly from NJ out to the mid west, not sure which state, it was all done very hush hush, they were told that the baby would posibly live the way she was but would be in a great deal of pain and be a vegitable. They did a late term abourtion and from the little I was even told it was the most awful experience. The baby came out whole but somehow the MD killed it (or what ever term they use for that). My cousin and their wife ot to hold her and the baby was prepared and sent back to NJ and they burried her. Because of what they went through they waited 4 yrs before they tried again, they did not tell anyone in the family that she was expecting till she was almost 7 months along. They named that baby Hope, we all balled our eyes out when he emailed the babys pic to us.
Abortion is a sticky topic. I am pro choice although I personally could never go through an abortion. I am against late term abortion, and I I think that there is enough medical advances that late term abortion should be out lawed. If they did Amnios on everyone, if they didnt wait so long to preform ultrasounds on low risk pregnancies then I think much of the bad stuff can be detected and then its up to the parents to make the decision what they should do (counseling vs an abortion in the 1st 1-14 weeks)
It makes my hair stand up personally and I still believe I have an angel waiting for me...
Mom 2 Girls
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