Relayer
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[quote]And the branch of theology I hold too is very conservative; they do not recognize divorce, except in the case of adultery (Matt. 5:32.) The ordination of a divorced man within this branch is very much an uphill battle, even though there is a severe shortage of ministers in nearly every branch of Christianity. Not impossible, but how does a divorced minister preach and counsel on Marriage, when his own has disentegrated? (That would make me a hypocrite.) :confused: [/quote]
Dude, I am Catholic and divorced. Me going to hell is a foregone conclusion.
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Tim_M
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"I am Catholic and divorced. Me going to hell is a foregone conclusion."
Not necessarily, Relayer. My understanding of Catholic theology (and I have a lot of respect for the Church) is that one may seek absolution, but cannot partake of the Eucharist. Theologically, one may remain unmarried after a divorce, and still be destined for Heaven. If one remarried, then one would have to live as "brother and sister" with the former spouse, and still enjoy the other joys that the Church has to offer.
Even the very fundamental churches I inferred earlier err in that they do not consider that one party to a divorce might never have wanted it in the first place; that party, if he or she remains unmarried, is not a willing participant in the sin of that divorce.
In the eyes of God, I will always be married to my wife, whether or not she persists in a civil divorce, because there was no adultery. I will NEVER date another woman or remarry again, unless it is to my STBX again. This keeps me blameless in the eyes of God (Luke 16:18), and preserves the option of possible reconciliation in the future.
But I am not judging anyone here, simply trying to show you that divorce, while hated by God, is not a sure "ticket" to Hell...
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Relayer
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[quote]"I am Catholic and divorced. Me going to hell is a foregone conclusion."
Not necessarily, Relayer. My understanding of Catholic theology (and I have a lot of respect for the Church) is that one may seek absolution, but cannot partake of the Eucharist. Theologically, one may remain unmarried after a divorce, and still be destined for Heaven. If one remarried, then one would have to live as "brother and sister" with the former spouse, and still enjoy the other joys that the Church has to offer.
Even the very fundamental churches I inferred earlier err in that they do not consider that one party to a divorce might never have wanted it in the first place; that party, if he or she remains unmarried, is not a willing participant in the sin of that divorce.
In the eyes of God, I will always be married to my wife, whether or not she persists in a civil divorce, because there was no adultery. I will NEVER date another woman or remarry again, unless it is to my STBX again. This keeps me blameless in the eyes of God (Luke 16:18), and preserves the option of possible reconciliation in the future.
But I am not judging anyone here, simply trying to show you that divorce, while hated by God, is not a sure "ticket" to Hell... [/quote]
I've been married twice. I am going.
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almostheaven
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LOL So are hubby and I. Most people do just do it for kicks. But you CAN actually use it and marry people, if you take the ordination seriously and do it right.
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almostheaven
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She WILL ultimately remarry or have other relations...therby committing the adultery part of your beliefs, giving you an out to pursue other relations and not feel a need to remain single for life.
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Char Fox
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Tim_M
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I just received a message from her attorney (through mine). I have two weeks to "get a job," or she will cut off all funds and kick me into a homeless shelter. My attorney says it will take a month or longer to fight that in court, if she follows through on her threat. She also says that I have to put the farm on the market, now. It has negative aquity of about $80,000, and I was not willing to sell at a loss. I asked her to discuss the possible agreement to hold it for 5 - 10 years to sell at break-even. Farm real estate is depressed in this county, since it has lost half of it's population in the last 7 years.
For a "Christian" wife, she is acting totally like a jerk, and I am real mad at her, now. I told my attorney to prepare a motion to have my daughter immediately returned to Missouri, since she illegally took her across state lines without going through the court for permission. I also told him to prepare an emergency motion for SS, since I WOULD be living in a homeless shelter if she reneges on her agreement, and to see what other legal maneuvers are possible to play "hardball" with her, since she is doing the same to me.
Boy, am I angry!
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Relayer
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[quote]I just received a message from her attorney (through mine). I have two weeks to "get a job," or she will cut off all funds and kick me into a homeless shelter. My attorney says it will take a month or longer to fight that in court, if she follows through on her threat. She also says that I have to put the farm on the market, now. It has negative aquity of about $80,000, and I was not willing to sell at a loss. I asked her to discuss the possible agreement to hold it for 5 - 10 years to sell at break-even. Farm real estate is depressed in this county, since it has lost half of it's population in the last 7 years.
--> Only a judge can "order" you to do anything. Tell her to F off.
For a "Christian" wife, she is acting totally like a jerk, and I am real mad at her, now. I told my attorney to prepare a motion to have my daughter immediately returned to Missouri, since she illegally took her across state lines without going through the court for permission. I also told him to prepare an emergency motion for SS, since I WOULD be living in a homeless shelter if she reneges on her agreement, and to see what other legal maneuvers are possible to play "hardball" with her, since she is doing the same to me.
---> What was her "agreement"? Is it in writing?
---> She didnt take the kid illegally aross lines. She had the right to do that at the time.
Boy, am I angry! [/quote]
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Tim_M
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Yes, we had an agreement in writing, but there was no expiration date or termination terms.
According to Missouri law, once she filed for divorce, she MUST go through a process in court to take my daughter across state lines. She must first file a motion with the court, and then he must schedule a hearing a minimum of 60 days after the motion to hear all sides of the argument. During that 60 day minimum, she MUST keep my daughter inside the state of Missouri.
My attorney has already prepared a motion to the judge to order her immediate return, pending a hearing. He tells me that the judge WOULd order her immediate return, pending the hearing, and that the final outcome may well be in my favor, because Missouri law encourages both parents to remain involved in their children's lives, and she would have a high burden of proof to show why taking my daughter so far away, across state lines, would be in the best interest of the child. The judge probably will not be pleased with her taking the child across state lines to begin with. My attorney will wait for her to renege on her agreement. (He is also looking into federal issues, as well.)
I talked to a realtor familiar with our farm, and he agrees that it has serious negative equity problems (there is a land depression here.) But he will work on listing it (through our attorney's) just in case, and to help keep my *&$%&## wife of my back.
Meanwhile, I just now learned that there aren't even any homeless shelters here. I would truly be homeless...
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Relayer
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You sell it, you will be homesless. I wouldnt sell jack squat until ordered to do so. Your attorney went along with this?
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Tim_M
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Loc: Missouri
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He says that I am a victim of the circumstances, even though the law is supposedly on my side.
I was even referred to an agency by my state caseworker for help on the emotional abuse -- which she immediately recognized as such -- and was told by that agency that since they helped my wife file the (false) abuse allegations against me, that it would be a "conflict of interest" for them to even talk to me, let alone help.
I have run out of options, it seems. This life is not worth living.
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