Pops_IL_CP_Dad
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Can't think of a single instance where asking a kid to say please or thank you applies -- unless it is an English grammar lesson. I say, "Pass up your papers, please." I say "Thank you." I say, "Please stop that behavior or you'll be on detention." ONCE.
No, I don't think my responsibility is to teach your kids their manners, not to talk with food in their mouths, how to hold a fork, when to write a thank you note, anything having to do with morality or sex, how to make it to class on time, etc.
Sorry, but the idea that parents can hold a teacher responsible for teaching social graces to their children doesn't come under the headings of reading, writing, arithmetic, history, geography, band, art... THAT job is the parents'. There aren't enough hours in the day for us teachers as it is.
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BeckaLeigh
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Oh, forget you!! That is way too many kids. Whew. I wanted to be a school teacher for a long time. But, that changed. Thank the Lord. 
I have to say, though, that my kids' teachers know they are appreciated.
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Redlegg
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I agree with you, it is part of it to reinforce it, and it sounds like this teacher was doing exactly that. When your child uses the "what about everyone else defense" do you allow her to use the misbehavior of others to justify hers, or do you set her straight. If this had the effect you think it did, it sounds like a good deal.
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BeckaLeigh
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LOL. Totally agree. If I am not mistaken, you must teach a higher grade than intermediate. Any way that it goes, my kids know to use thank you, maam, sir, please, etc.... They were taught that when they started talking. Many parents rely on the school to teach their kid everything about sex and drugs. I had a neighbor once who had a D12, who thought it was the school's job. I told her I thought she was crazy. I wouldnt want anyone else to talk to my kids about alot of things. Just my opinion. But, if the schools teach them their manners, sex, morals, drugs, etc.... what are we as parents responsible for??
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Pops_IL_CP_Dad
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child support lol
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BeckaLeigh
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Good point, I guess. Does that mean the kids get to go home with you after school is out??? YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jenyphur
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I didn't say it was your job to teach anyone's kids manners, etc. What I was trying to say was that I think that you probably DO teach these things without even knowing it. I'm sure you have asked a child at one time or another to raise their hand before speaking, to ask nicely for something, etc.
Who ever said anything about holding a teacher responsible for teaching kids social graces? But I seriously doubt you let the kids get away with being rude, etc. You sound way too grumpy for that.
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Jenyphur
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Oh I completely set her straight. Once again..I have NOOOOO problem with the fact that she got detention. I'm all for it...she deserved it after being told not to talk. I can understand her need to ask 'Why' when it seems like others were allowed to get up and talk but we have talked about how it's still a form of talking back.
What I have a problem with is the 60 minutes of absolutely sitting still. What does that actually teach them? Not much, in my opinion. I feel 20 -30 minutes of sitting still reflecting on their mistake is appropriate for a 9 year old and then something else for the remainder of the time (reading, homework, writting an apology, etc).
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Redlegg
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If its that difficult, maybe she is tougher than yo think and it did her a world of good, when you get caught up in the weeds (30 vs. 60 minutes), then we are just looking for a reason to dissent. if anything, it was more reinforcement and showed her that she definitely does not want to make that same mistake, look at it as punitive and rehabilitative and drive on.
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Debi
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"Wow..sounds like you are burnt out and kind of grumpy. Maybe it's time for a new career. It sounds like all the kids have got to you...that's sad. "
Having been married to a teacher at one time I would say it's probably not the kids that have him burned out but the parents. Not only do they want to know why Johnny is getting an B instead of an A, but how Fred could possibly be getting a D (it's because he doesn't do his homework, acts likea jack@ss in class and never shuts his mouth and because Mr Pops in Il can't give him an F thanks to "no child left behind" in case you're wondering) It's not up to the teacher to teach manners but on one occasion my x DID have to show a student how to eat with utensils because they didn't use them at home. (no lie!) Being a teacher is probably the most thankless (and underpaid) job there is whic his why if my kids get in trouble in school they get confronted by both the teacher and I!
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