RJ1
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What a tragedy at Six Flags...and we were actually there the day before it happened! My son is only 8 so we didn't ride any MAJOR rides...but we had a blast. When I was a kid you couldn't get me off the rollercoasters. Now, being older and a mechanical engineer, I will never ride the major rides again. We got stuck in the Sky Buckets! Son was terrified...high wind shut it down for about 10 minutes.
Those things are just not natural. Mechanical systems fail. Getting older sometimes sucks...but I'm not sure son will ever ride the big rides. We did the logs, the splash water falls (YIKES!!!), thunder river, sky buckets, mine train, bumper cars, train, and Skull Island (the BEST part!!!).
Do any of you ride them???
My thoughts are with the family of the killed boy yesterday...
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I do - I love Six Flags. I've never taken my son to an amusement park though, and I think I'd have a hard time doing it with all the accidents that have happened the last few years. Last year I went after hearing about a guy who lost his legs on one of the rides...I still went on it. But when it comes to my baby...I think I'd be fearful.
On the other hand...we put ourselves and our children at risk every day. In our vehicles, on airplanes...etc. Unfortunately accidents will always happen, but it's not the norm. But it's also completely normal to worry and to be aware.
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Do you notice, though, that both deaths on this ride have to do with people being in a restricted area when they aren't supposed to be there? I'm sorry for the family, but good Lord, what the hell did those boys think would happen when they jumped TWO fences into a restricted area?
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[quote]Do you notice, though, that both deaths on this ride have to do with people being in a restricted area when they aren't supposed to be there? I'm sorry for the family, but good Lord, what the hell did those boys think would happen when they jumped TWO fences into a restricted area? [/quote]
Exactly! There was some sort of indication he was going after a lost object, possibly something he lost from being on the ride? But if that was the case, why didn't he just get someone from the park to retrieve it for him? Impatience just cost him his life.
I like the rollercoasters but I don't ride them that often at those parks. It has to be a pretty tame one for me to get on it. It never is too far from my mind that those things are built by the lowest bidder and inspected by an overworked govt agency. Thats a bit cynical, I know.
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I LOVE them. Have since I was a kid. But I cannot ride them anymore because of my neck.
Like Jenn, though...it's a lot different now that my kids are getting on them.
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a hat. He jumped 2 6'fences and past signs restricting him from going further for a basball cap from a previous ride.
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Oh I realize that this incident was caused from a poor decision. But google theme park accidents. Lots of accidents are caused from faulty equipment or unknown health conditions. It's a risk to ride them. I'm glad I have a "tame" son...we like being boring. But I was so proud of him for even getting on the ones we rode...we had a literal BLAST. We are still worn out!!! We will return next year...but the big rides...doubtful I'll ever get on them. My fav is the Scream Machine...but I couldn't just leave my son alone to ride it as he would NOT do it (thank GOD). But I will ride that one next year!!! And all day my son wanted a basketball...he started crying because I wouldn't try to win one because I didn't want to carry it around all day. At the end of the day, on the third try, I shot the hoop and nothing but net!!! My son was sooooo happy...I won my baby a basketball!!!!!!!! It was a day to remember and I'm so glad I could share it with my son. Sky Buckets??? NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!
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Oh, I know. I just HATE the way that these d*mned "news" organizations report crap like this. "the big, bad roller coaster KILLED an innocent 17 year old boy today". Uhhh...NO. That's not the way it happened. Just makes me nuts.
I'm glad you had a good day. I've been sooo happy to have my angels back this weekend. Even with five kids in the house and a hurt knee.
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First, as another poster stated, the kids jumped TWO fences, both with signs that said do NOT go in there, it is DANGEROUS.
I could see if they were toddlers who couldn't READ, but these are fully grown teenagers. I HATE that we have to make things SO restrictive because of the STUPID people.
The second thing isthat we REALLY have to lookat the numbers. How many MILLIONS of people go to amusement parks EVERYDAY, and DON'T get hurt? I hate to say it, but think about this, if we use a VERY low number, considering the number of parks, including Disney, all the Six Flags parks, the Busch Gardens parks, etc, and say that a MILLION people a day enter amusement parks, things that have a ONE IN A MILLION chance of happening, could REASONABLE happen once a DAY. Especially when you consider the accidents that happen like this one that are BLATANTLY the "victims" fault, the chances of you getting injured at a park are VERY slim. Actually, I don't think it is unreasonable to say you take a greater chance driving to the amusement park, or to the SUPERMARKET for that matter, than you do entering the park.
Unfortunately, the stupidity of this kid will be paid for in the form of a lawsuit, which will raise the COST and reduce the availability of fun rides for those of us that follow the rules.
I do not know if all of you know the history of Six Flags. The FIRST Six Flags park is located here in Texas, in Arlington. The NAME Six Flags comes from the fact that Texas, throughout history, has had six flags over it (Spain, France, Mexico, Republic of Texas, Confederacy, and the US,in that order). Christmas a year and a half ago, we went to the park. They had an "Frosty's Ice Hill" for sledding on. The following sign was listed outside the ride. I am not even going to say what i found ODD about it, but check out rule number 6 on the list (they are not numbered, so you will have to count them):
http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1787/7596917/14386634/323316734.jpg
I KNOW that they go to EXTREME lengths to keep the guests safe, but accidents are going to happen. If for NO other reason, bad press is BAD for business. Nothing like a decapitated teenager to turn away prospective customers.
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Maybe thats the cost of the fuel required to run it :)
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...next year, LOL.
Our Six Flags runs about $50 a day to get in (which is weird, cause it is only $55 for a season pass, so if you are going, get a season pass and you can park for free as well. It normally costs ten dollars to park, LOL)
Still, when you consider $50 per person for a WHOLE day of fun at the park, it is really reasonable.
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[quote] But google theme park accidents. Lots of accidents are caused from faulty equipment or unknown health conditions. It's a risk to ride them. [/quote]
The "accidents" then, are caused by the health issue....not by the amusement park. Kind of like the boy on the news's accident was caused by his own stupidity....not by the amusement park. That's not to say that it's not a complete tragedy, but I grew up in an area with numerous RR crossings, and idiots used to die all the time from being careless. The news stories were always something overly dramatic like, "Yet ANOTHER Death By Train!" Uh. No. "Death By Moron?" Yes. The news media likes to overblow stories to get people to tune in/buy their rag/forward their story, so they make it as HUGE as humanly possible, and present it in such a way that they can feed from it for days.
The "risk" is getting out of bed in the morning. I worry more about my daily commute, and the people who are allowed licenses after 2 or 3 DUI's and numerous speeding tickets.....and the HUGE line I always see at McDonalds when I drive by, and the increasing cholesterol in all of those vehicles.
Anyway....
We're actually taking a group of 8 - 14 year olds to an amusement park tomorrow. The tickets are BOGO. Woot!!!!
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gr8Dad
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What is that?
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Hey I'm not blaming Six Flags for this one! Sorry if it came off that way. I just couldn't believe we were there the day before. But there are plenty of cases where the park WAS at fault and there is always a risk no matter what happens. There are just a bunch of teenagers running these rides. Nobody should even be WEARING hats based on the "no loose articles" rules. Last week before this happened my friend and her two kids went and all three lost hats on rides. I asked her why in the world would you wear a hat on a rollercoaster?!?! And I guess it would not feel good getting hit across the face from someone ELSE'S hat flying through the air either. She said to look on the ground....there are THOUSANDS of hats lying there. Also, what if someone in a car next to you decides to try to lift the bar, or what if someone on the ride got seriously injured or killed from this fellow's head! The risk is not only the rides...but other people's mistakes.
And the chances of it happening....well...if anything will happen it will happen to ME based on past experience. I'm not the luckiest person in the world. And lots of big and little injuries could occur. We saw a girl stick her hand in the water on Thunder River splashing her friends...not the smartest move either. One little girl got lost from her family at Skull Island...one scared Mom there!
I don't like being at the mercy of other people. But I have always loved the rides. But the older I get, the less I find them fun. Same with swimming in the ocean. I grew up in the ocean. But now, I think too much about sharks. Getting old sucks...
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gr8Dad
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...in Arlington two years ago. Did Six Flags four days and Hurricane Harbor one (Six Flags sister water park).
Okay, TEN kids (in TENTS) FOUR days at the park, only ONE injury. Daughter was running down some steps (which contained numerous signs stating NO RUNNING...I called her a dumbass) and twisted her ankle. Nothing but a minor sprain. The park medical folks ace bandaged it, and GAVE her a wheel chair, as well as an orange bracelet which allowed her and the folks that were WITH her to go IN the EXIT of EACH ride, and go RIGHT to the front, and they could ride it as many times as they wanted without getting off.
Funny thing is, ALL OF A SUDDEN, she became the MOST popular of ALL the kids, and ALL the kids wanted to push her around the park in her chair. I am SURE they were just concerned for her safety, LOL. Although I cannot criticize, there were a few rides I wanted to go on, but the line was too long. But because she was my DAUGHTER, I felt that I should take my turn behind her chair. Coincidently, she wanted to ride those SAME rides, so I SUFFERED and took her on them, LOL.
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...but I really like the SHOWS now. I have ALWAYS been a fan of musicals (No, I am NOT gay, LOL), and the shows are great.
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[quote]What is that? [/quote]
Buy one, get one.
Clearly, you don't shop very often. :P
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I'm actually REALLY looking forward to tomorrow. I haven't been on rides in YEARS. Honestly? Because I was too fat, and they were VERY uncomfortable. Just...fitting in them and stuff. I hated the ones where the bar clicks until it meets you.....especially if there was someone else using the same bar. I felt like they weren't safe to ride with me. Not to mention the force of being thrown around the corners was horrible feeling. That's a lot of momentum!
Anyway....I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There is risk in pretty much everything, it is up to the individual to mitigate it. You can eliminate it in some things, such as rides at amusement parks, but unless you don't need a car fro anything, you can try to manage that risk, is it safer to drive at 8 in the morning on saturday or 11 at night on Friday, do you leave in the morning or try to drive through the night. It is possible to decrease risk, but the bottom line is that you cannot eliminate it totally from your life.
Its a tragedy that this boy died, he could have prevented it, and it really sounds like the only way the amusement park can eliminate all risk for its customers is to shut down.
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RJ,
Teens DO run the rides, however it's not as simple as "Here is the ride, this is what you do, have fun." First of all, every ride operator must have a drivers license. Then there are 2 tests for each ride . One is the attendants test. Yes you have to be tested to check lap bars and direct people to their cars. You have to know what to look for such as no single riders in the back seat, ask children who look deathly afraid if they really want to ride. (You'd be surprised at the number of parents who force their kids to get on the coasters). And to listen for peole who say they want to get off while still in the stations. Even if they are screwing around out they go. Then to operate the ride itself there is another seperate test that covers everything from where to insert the key to where the emergency stop button is located to the proper way to unload passengers in an emergency situation. There are cameras at various points on a lot of rides that have monitors in the control booths. They are located in the blind spots where an attendant on the floor can't see what's happening. (I doubt that covers restricted areas though, since the cameras are covering areas where the guests are "suppossed to be." )The rides are walked every day by a mechanic and twice each shift by a ride lead. There are various check offs and believe me if you forget to initial one of them you will be demoted. It's also not just 2 tests, it's 2 test for every single ride you are certified to run.
I'm not trying to convince you that you should ride the major coasters,I just wanted to let you know that there are a lot of precaustions taken. And for the record there has never been a death at the Six Flags in IL.
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...but MOST of the rides are SO automated, that honestly, it is not like the old days where the attendent could turn the ride on, speed it up, etc. The TRAINED person pushes the initiate buttin, and a HIGHLY technical set of safety procedures run, then the ride initiates with a preprogrammed set of instructions. The location of each car or train is CONSTANTLY monitored, to keep them from colliding or going to fast or slow for the desired effect.
Like I said, headless bloody bodies lying around the park is REALLY not good for business.
I was at Six Flag a few years ago, got on a scrambler like rde with my son, the ride began to operate, spinning around and around. All of a sudden it went to fast, a short alarm sounded, and the whole damn thing shut down. Iwas talking to the operator after wards, she said that she was UNABLE to restart it until the maintenence team inserted THEIR key and did an internal reset. And even then, there was a MINIMUM of 30 minutes before the computer would allow it to run, to prevent maintenence from just doing a reset and run.
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RJ1
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Oh I've ridden the major rides when I was teenager up into my twenties until I could puke. ;)
It's just now that I'm older and wiser, just not much of a risk taker any longer. That adrenaline rush could probably kill me. Now if egged on...I'll be the FIRST one on...
However, things could STILL go wrong...
Now my son, nah. At his age I was already riding the major ones. Him? He's scared to DEATH. He wouldn't even ride the escalator last night at the movie theater...bless his heart. (The Incredible Hulk wasn't so incredible by the way...)
But there is PLENTY to do for the younger kids nowadays...
It is now an annual tradition for us just like it was for me and my parents...we had FUN!!!
RJ
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We went to see the Hulk last weekend. Booooo! The storyline sucked....it was VERY dark (like too dark to even see what was going on sometimes)....and it was totally just an "in between" movie. Like the connecting piece in a bad epic.
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I saw Zohan and Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones was actually much better than I thought it would be.
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I loved them when I was a kid. Now I don't love them but rode them for my kids...I was the one that made the even number. The rides went like this:
Ex and daughter Me and son Niece and ex's little sister.
If I chose not to ride someone would have to go alone. I just closed my eyes and went into my happy place. We actually bought one of the ride pictures of us because when we were coming down a big loopy, my eyes were closed and I was smiling away (happy place is the beach). Mind over matter, I guess.
I feel badly for the kid's family but especially for the friend that was with him and witnessed it. That's gonna be life long damage for that kid.
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I read an article this morning about a man whose girth prevented the locking bar to lock properly. He fell to his death.
Oh you will have so much FUN!!!!!!! I want to go back. Some tips for those that haven't been in a while (like me):
If your Six Flags has a water attraction like Skull Island with water slides and such...wear a swimsuit under your clothes. Wear clothes that won't mind getting wet...you can just do the water attraction and go right back to the rides...it felt so good to get wet! No need for towels. I brought my beach bag with a change of clothes and towels and rented a locker. No need. Just wear your swimsuit with clothing over it...you'll get wet on some of the rides anyway.
I wouldn't recommend tennis shoes. They get wet and are very uncomfortable the rest of the day. But definitely go for comfort...you'll walk A LOT.
Fanny packs are your friend!
Six Flags over Georgia had this option of buying a large souvenir drink cup for like $13.99 and refills are FREE all day long. YOu'll spend around $4 for a small drink...it's well worth it to get a souvenir cup. The only problem is what to do with them when you ride rides. They do have boxes on the entrances to the rides to put stuff...so you could do that. Also, they have water fountains but YUCK.
Don't wear light clothing...when you get wet...your chi chi's will show through....hehe...unless you are into wet Tshirt contests.
Have a plan...we wasted so much time walking to find the entrances to rides. The maps are sometimes confusing. Pace yourself and ride it as you see it.
Eat before you get there...food is expensive!
Also at Georgia...they had this thing called Flash Pass...it allowed you to bypass the lines and walk straight into the ride...they let you in FIRST. NOt sure how much it costs but it's well worth it!!!!!
Edited to add: Pick up a few maps at the entrance to the park!
RJ
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RJ1
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I seem to close my eyes during the worst scariest parts too!!! I'm like you...had to be brave for my son. He was terrified, biting his nails, asking a lot of questions...but afterwards he was so CUTE. He'd say "I wasn't scared...nope not me!"
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[quote]And for the record there has never been a death at the Six Flags in IL. [/quote]
That's good to know! I've been to Great America (for those not from the area, that's the Six Flags in IL) many many times as a kid. We used to go there every year as a band/chorus trip. Our physics class also went for a Physics Day where we had to do some calculations with the rides. It was about 10 minutes of work and then the rest of the day to play.
It seems that a lot of the accidents on amusement park rides are due to the injured persons own negligence. I remember one time when I was at the IL State Fair a girl fell to her death from one of the rides there. She was mentally handicapped and had attempted to get off the ride while it was in motion. I believe the ride was the Kamikaze.
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The "flash pass" apparently reserves your spot, and lets you know when your place in line is next.
I don't mind spending the money to not have to carry a bunch of crap around, or whatever. Since we're spending 12 hours there, I pretty much expect to shell out a bucket load of cash. We've budgeted for it, so it'll be good.
The plan is to do all the "long line" rides early....break for lunch.....water park....wander around....other rides/shows.....food.....favorites....then home. I'm a planner that way. I've already printed out park maps, parking and locker passes, etc...lol.
Thanks. :)
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When we were going to Wilford Hall, in Texas, we would always hit Sea World, and there was nothing better than the penguin exhibit and the misters, they felt so good on a hot day.
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Why do you feel that way? This kids jumped over TWO fences and entered a restricted zone to retrieve a hat. This accident had NOTHING to do with ride safety.
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I used to work at Disney World. I worked at Space Mountain. I will ride any roller coaster at ANY reputable park. (I will NOT ride any carnival rides now that I have a working understanding of ride safety.)
You are safer on a ride at WDW than you are in your car, for certain!
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Iwas talking to the operator after wards, she said that she was UNABLE to restart it until the maintenence team inserted THEIR key and did an internal reset. And even then, there was a MINIMUM of 30 minutes before the computer would allow it to run, to prevent maintenence from just doing a reset and run.
And on the major rides every area supervisor and the Ride OPs manager would come running to make sure everything was okay. I've pulled rafts into the holding pond with people on them after the rafts jammed. Not a major or life threatening situation by any means but I along with every crew member had to know exactly where to be. No one was assigned a spot or anything, it depended on what position you were doing at the time so really you had to know where you had to be in accordance with every attendance position. Usually the strongest guy was assigned to hooking the rafts and pulling them in before someone else took hold. There were a couple of REALLY strong girls who could do it (I was not one of them). Now I will admit it was 20 years ago that I worked there and I'm sure things are even more automated now than then, but they do still train pretty extensively. If you start pre-season the 1st 4 weekends before the park opens are spent 8 hours a day doing nothing but studying SOP manuals. It was rather a badge of honor back then to be in the group with the greatest amount of punches on your cert badge.
One of the guys I started working with back in 1987 is now the Ride Ops manager at the Six Flags in IL. I'm soooooo envious. What an awesome job!
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I'm not longer into roller coasters, but my kids LOVE them.
People can be idiots. My D worked at an amusement park last year, she was a lifeguard and worked at different posts. One was a type of large waterslide. There were signs about the size of kids who can go on the ride. 2 little kids wanted to go on but they were 2 small. The parents were yelling at my D that they paid money to get into the park and if their D wanted to ride they should be able to. Nope my D stood her ground and ended up calling her supervisor and security for help because the parents were swearing at here. She didn't get paid enough for that type of harassment. The parents and kids left that area but they were still causing problems at other areas. They ended up being kicked out of the park, which I think was the correct thing to do.
My D had a week worth of training before she was able to do be a lifeguard. In the little over a month that she was there she had a few saves and 2 were serious. ALL of them involved people doing things that they were not suppose to be doing. One save she was the 2nd on the scene. She was off duty walking by when she heard the whistle, she jumped in with her full clothing (the sweats that they wear over their swimsuit) and her cell phone IN her pocket. She dropped her backpack before she entered the water. She said she didn't think, she heard the whistle and reacted as she was taught to do. Because of their training the guy ended up not having as severe of an injury as he could of had. My D was 17 yo at the time.
The workers may be young but they are trained. Many of them take their job seriously.
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I could NOT keep my son off the roller coasters if I tried! Well, I COULD, but we wouldn't be going to any amusement parks at all.
We just got back from spending 2 days at Fiesta Texas where he & his step-nephew rode every roller coaster they have. Multiple times. As a matter of fact, son's email is "CoasterLuvR' and he wants to design roller coasters when he grows up!!
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We ride them all!! We were just there what... two months ago?? Maybe a month ago?? Son doesn't ride the BIG ones either... but I got him on the Joker (mind eraser, I think now... it use to be called the Joker).... That is the biggest one he's gone on..... Daughter and I rode them ALL!! She loves them! We did Ninja like 8 times.... ROFL! Superman was awesome!! Batman was shut down when we were there, but I've been on it many times!
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Where did you study me? I got my undergrad in me from ncsu. Aren't you female also?
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UAB...and yes I'm female.
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The death of this fellow really has nothing to do with why I don't enjoy the rides as much as I used to. I'm getting old I guess and getting wimpy...and I know anything can happen...especially to me. I'm not as carefree about those kinds of things any longer. Now, in my younger years I was a rebel and a daredevil...and a rowdy one at that. lol
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http://www.rideaccidents.com/
WOW!!!!
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