gr8Dad
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...is that a MAJORITY o fathers pay their support ON TIME and IN FULL. Yet, DESPITE that fact, the rules and laws and enforcement techniques are based on a MINORITY.
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Grace
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Yes, but how many of the fathers paying their support in full and on time are simply doing this to avoid jail and not to give their children all possible?
What would be interesting to see, is how many fathers or mothers pay support to their children without a court order. If you happen to know of any repots on that, I would like to read it, really I would, I'm not being sarcastic.
I know that my husband left me and our 3-year-old with $4.00 and until a court oder was issued, he didn't give us one more cent. When he paid CS directly to me, he got behind by almost $6000 at one time and threatened me with everything he could to keep me from reporting it. Now that it goes through the state, he pays on time and in full every week. I have the sneaking suspicion that he isn't doing that for the benefit of our child.
His problem is the same as many others. . . he doesn't see his CS payments as money going to his child. He sees them as money going to me. . . and he despises that. He believes that I should be able to care for our son on my income. Maybe that's true, but it isn't just my responsibility to provide for our child.
Please believe that I do know not all dads see things the way he does. But, if the laws and enforcements were different, how many children would do without? And, would these great dads supporting their children still be the majority?
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aussie928
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automatically you start yelling that the woman had the affair..its always against the woman gr8dad...and its not a guise but what the mens movement is calling it as a way to cover their cheap asses..as to what broke the marriage up..get over it....its spilled milk..water under the bridge as they say.. this is now about the children. And again ...child support does not cover HALF...and it was never meant to.. child support is figured on percentages.. using your theory then a woman with custody making 80k a year...would be able to expect her ex making 30k a year to match it.. thats not how it works. It works very much like your tax system. Its based on percentages. I know mate..tell me what language I need to say this in..ENGLISH appears not to be working here.
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gr8Dad
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But it would have to take into account the increased expenses during the first few months of the NCP setting up a home.
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gr8Dad
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It was a HYPOTHETICAL. And it was a PERFECT example as to how the no fault divorce system screws the innocent person.
In my situation, my ex cheated on me, and I was GRANTED a faulted divorce, and STILL had to pay her Temporary Spousal Support.
So, I PLANNED on my marriage lasting forever, and made all financial plans based on THAT, yet she cheated and she got PAID for it. Please explain how that is fair in the LEAST?
It is the same for women. If the man cheats, he SHOULD have to pay more for his part in breaking up the marriage.
As for the whole "water under the bridge", the whole "no fault" divorce thing is BASED on taking away PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for one's actions and it is WRONG.
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aussie928
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Yes mate..I am sure I am male.. the question I have for you? are you a medical doctor.. no didnt think so.. so your comment that I have a warped sense of our gender is nothing more then a personal attack.. and when did you become the bloody expert on what OUR gender is..I hate stereotypes..are you appear to be one of the walking wounded. NOT THE EX HUSBAND MATE..the EX.. you are the one that keeps putting this into the male/female issue. This is going to come as a shock to that Neanderthal mind of yours..but there are women out there paying child support and some ..large sums. Are they the majority ..of course not.. but then neither is their income levels. And you sir...and the ones like you.. make me ashamed of my sex at times.
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gr8Dad
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You have bought into the whole "women are victims" scheme that some on society have tried to play. While I believe in EQUALITY. Unfortunately, I believe in TRUE equality, not special treatment for one section of our society.
You wanna make the same as a man, then do the same work as a man, and don't take off days cause the kids are sick, and don't take of days cause it's "that time of the month", and don't ask for maternity leave unles you are willing to give a MAN maternity leave to spend a few weeks with their newborn.
Don't force men to register for the draft, and then insist that you should be allowed in combat. Don't insist that you be allowed to have a certain job, and then complain when the physical standards are too high, and ask that they be lowered cause you are a woman.
While I do not always agree with Eric, one of his statements are dead on. Equality is NOT a hard concept.
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Gecko
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You have bought into the whole "women are victims" scheme that some on society have tried to play.
---> And you have OBVIOUSLY "bought" into the whole "men have been victimized by the feminist movement and it's all THEIR fault" BULLSHIT!
You wanna make the same as a man, then do the same work as a man, and don't take off days cause the kids are sick, and don't take of days cause it's "that time of the month", and don't ask for maternity leave unles you are willing to give a MAN maternity leave to spend a few weeks with their newborn.
---> You've said some pretty asinine things before, but this and the next statement is the MOST asinine, not too mention just freaking STUPID that you've come up with so far!
---> Let's start with the sick kids. Who is going to take care of them if both parents are "equal"? I can't speak for ALL couples, but there were TWO reasons why I (MOM) stayed home: The first was financial in that I often made $3 to $5 an hour LESS than my husband, so it made more SENSE for us to lose $80, than to lose $120. The second was the fact that he just plain didn't want to deal with a sick child; after all, cleaning up puke was a WOMAN'S "job".
---> About "periods"...so what you're telling me is that it really doesn't hurt to get smacked in the balls; in fact, it actually tickles and what you're REALLY doing when you're curled up in fetal position making those little squeaky noises is laughing. That sicky green color, followed by the bloated dead fish-belly color, the sweat drenching your body...it is just make-believe. Imagine getting kicked in the balls EVERY month...for some women, that is what their "period" is like.
---> As for Maternity leave...where have you been? Men have been getting Maternity leave for geez what...twenty plus years now. AND it's the same amount that women get...twelve weeks.
Don't force men to register for the draft, and then insist that you should be allowed in combat.
---> So exactly HOW do you figure that women are responsible for the "draft" and that "WE" (women) force men to register?
Don't insist that you be allowed to have a certain job, and then complain when the physical standards are too high, and ask that they be lowered cause you are a woman.
---> So far, this is the ONLY thing I agree with and why I dislike “Affirmative Action”.
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gr8Dad
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...to refuse MEN certain rights (such as a say in abortion, time off for "female troubles" etc) based on the fact that they cannot get pregnant.
But when MEN want more rights (such as women not holding certain jobs because of physical requirements) they can't have them because women demand equality?
Sounds like a double standard.
As for the draft thing, why isn't NOW fighting to have women included?
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Melody
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since the general concept is to maintain the child's standard of living prior to the divorce...and if Mom gets to enjoy this standard of living, the courts don't seem to have a problem with it.
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