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Perplexed
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Is there hope?
      #587778 - 10/13/09 01:03 PM

New to the forum and is not like me to post on line like this, but I'm lost and confused with no one to turn to. Here's my story...
I've been married to my wife now for 4 years, but we've been in a relationship for about 8. We have two beautiful little girls, the youngest is almost 2yrs. We've had a good relationship, albeit not like it was when we first got together, but not terribly bad either. I'd say we've been getting along fine since we got married and not much has changed between us except for the parenting part now. We have issues, i'm sure like all marriages. We have the occassional arguement over what I consider to be pretty common stuff, like money and family (in-laws), and what shows to watch, etc. I guess we've both gotten comfortable with the situation and it's just been this way, I'm ok with it. Well about 4 months ago, things started to change. We went from having this comfortable marriage, to where we are now, which is my wife wants to seperate and divorce. In a span of about 4 months, my life has been turned upside down and I'm just totally confused. So what happened? Let me explain. In late April, i sensed that my wife was acting cold and distant. We've had discussions about being more intimate with each other and she kind of alluded that she's lost some of those feelings and she wasn't sure how to get them back or if she could. This really got the alarms sounding in my mind. Then when she started to act distant, I thought something must be up. I've never checked her emails or text messages before, but thought I should snoop a little. I know it's wrong, but something in my gut told me things are not right. Sure enough, I found a series of text conversations with another man that she had met at work and was carrying on a very emotional relationship via text saying all the things that you would expect two people who are falling for each other to be saying. I confronted her immediately, and while she got very deffensive and angry that I snooped, in the end, what I got out of it was she no longer has feelings for me and she does not love me that way anymore. She's sorry but she's only in this marriage for the sake of our kids. Over the next several months, we had a number of arguements over this incident, I may have pushed a little too much, but I never felt I got the appology that I felt I needed and did not really sense any remorse on her part. Then about a month ago, I met up with her at a kids restaurant where she was supposedly killing some time with the kids. When I got there, she was with another guys, who I happen to know from work (by the way, we work at the same company, this is where we met), and she said they just bumped into each other by chance. He was there with his two kids and they just sat together and the kids started to play. He's divorced recently in case you're wondering. My stomach immediately turned and I knew something was wrong with this scenario. They both acted very awkwardly and he left shortly after I got there. I confronted her about this being strange and again she went on the defensive. She actually got so upset with me for not believing this was just a coincidence that I actaully felt like an ass for accusing her. Still not feeling right, I did it again, I snooped. Got into her email and saw that the whole get together WAS pre-arranged and it was to be kept a secret from me because as she put it in her email to this guy, my husband is jealous and told him a whole bunch of stuff about me that's completely not true and made me look very bad like some sort of jealous possesive controlling husband, which I assure I am not. Then she went on to appologize for making things so awkward by inviting me there after to minimize the suspicion. Well again I confronted her and the same song and dance about how she's not happy with me, does not love me and does not have intimate feelings for me anymore. She assured me that he's just a friend and needed a distraction. Well, this friendship with this guy has recently turned out to be more. They've professed their feelings for one another and now my wife wants a divorce. In order to get a divorce we need to seperate for a year first. In order to seperate legally and get a divorce, there's about a million things that needs to be sorted out, most important of which is our kids. We own a home together, who should stay or go? Who do the kids go with? Can we afford a divorce? We're basically at a stale mate as to what to do next. In the mean time, we've agreed to continue doing what we're doing while we sort things out legally. I don't want a divorce. I love my wife dearly and don't want to break our family and hurt our children. She's gone from staying for the kids, to where she's now which is she absolutely wants a divorce and there's no hope for us, not even for the sake of the kids. But while we're sorting this mess out, what do I do? She acts like we're still married, we get along fine, pretty much the same we've been carrying on for the last several years, yet every second away from me, all she does is want to be with this guy. She's got me somehow to agree to let her carry on a relationship while were still together because her reasoning is what does it matter? We're splitting anyway. We just can't right now because it's complicated, but I don't want to end it with this guy. I want him in my life, even if it's just as a fried. She's assured my they're just friends right and will keep it this way untill we're seperated, which could be in 6 months or a year for all I know. But for now, Do I have to put up with her having phone conversations with this guy every night or going out to meet him every other night for coffee? I feel like this marriage is worth saving and I've completely been blind sided by this whole thing. I just don't know what to do. Do I give her the ultamatum and tell her that she can't have any dealings with him until we're officially seperated or what? Do I give her her space and hope she see's the light and gives this marriage another chance? My only concern is for our kids at this time. I want them to have a proper family and not be part of a statistic. I'm so angry right now that I almost want to just tell her to leave. If she wants to be with him so badly, then leave. I'll give her her divorce, but I'm going to fight for everything. I feel like I have a right to fight for the house and our kids and leave her out in the street. Don't know if that's how things work with a divorce, but given what she's done in the last several months, do I have the upper hand on her in divorce court? And if I do get awarded the kids, is that right of me? I know how much my kids love my wife and I would taking them away from her out of resentment. But I keep telling myself, why should I be the one to suffer? I don't want to end our marriage. I'm not the one that's found someone else and fallen for them. If she wants to end this, then that's her choice and she should have to be the one to make any sacrafices, not me. I have a home and 2 kids that I love, why should I have to give it up? In the end, somewhere inside of me, i'm still hopefull that we kind come to terms and stay married and work things out. Any adive would be greatlyl appreciated!!!


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: Perplexed]
      #587846 - 10/13/09 04:20 PM

yes there is hope but you first need to lay down the law. trust me they are intimate. not to take away from this forum but you should go check out the marriage builders website and forum.

she is cake eating right now. so my suggestion to you is to first do 3 things.

1. prepare to fight for your family
2. expose the situation you know to everyone. this will kill the affair and trust me she say the worst to you if she hasn't already.
3. she has to completely give up contact with that other man. if they stay close to each other feelings will always come back


after those are done then you can begin to repair your marriage. it will take time but things will heal once you two build together.

im not the best in advice in this situation but you need to kill this affair she is having.

Edited by bigmetal (10/13/09 04:23 PM)


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: bigmetal]
      #587941 - 10/13/09 08:44 PM

Is there hope? Well we all have hope but you know the reality of it is...your wife wants out of the marriage...she has made that clear...its pretty hard to save a marriage when the other partner has checked out and already has the replacement waiting in the wings.

You can try all you want to keep the family together but she has given every indication that she is not interested. I wish you luck there, its tough.

I would suggest counseling maybe to help, maybe she will agree but maybe if not just go for yourself.

You can fight all you want but in the end she may still go.

Learn as much as you can about the legal rights that you have so you are not blindsided, be ready for the worst and also try to save your marriage but again its hard when the other partner has checked out.

Sometimes just withdrawing and not showing your hand may help...she expects you to fight it, what if you stop and just appear that you accept it,,,,be a mystery, that is what someone a long time ago suggested on these boards.

I really don't have any great suggestions except try the counseling and see if that would help.

Good luck.


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: Annie7676]
      #588049 - 10/14/09 11:04 AM

You and me are in almost the same exact boat, almost to a tee.

The one differance is that my wife moved out and won't admit that she is seeing anyone. If she would that would make it so much easier. not saying that it would hurt. It would hurt like hell no dought. However I would know exactly where she stood. She says she just wnats out.

It's been about four months now and it will get easier. I thought I was going to go crazy the first couple literaly crazy. Time has gone by and I'm getting a lot better and you will too.

I really don't know how you so what your doing. I could never let my wife live in the same house with me and go be with another guy and come home to me like nothing is going on. That would kill me, your more of a man then I am.

I think I feel better just knowing that I did everything I could to try and save the marriage. I begged, cried, make promises that I don't think I could keep And I started going to counseuling. I offered to go with her but she wansn't interrested. So as you see I'm the only one working here. No matter what all the books say YOU can't save it. It takes two people to make it work, you can't do it on your own.

Another thing I've learned is that most affairs won't last. After the excitment of sleeping with a married woman wears off the affair will be gone. Right now he's sleeping with a married woman (no commitment). Once she gets divorced then she's there all the time. telling him what to do, and asking him where the hell he thinks he's going. excitment gone, now he's in a relationship he didn't want.

that's when she waht's to come back to you, her rock. That's when you have a choice. Do let her back in or make her lie in the bed she made. that's all up to you.


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: pokey]
      #588090 - 10/14/09 12:54 PM

Thank you bigmetal, Annie7676 and pokey. Your comments really does help! Just knowing that there's someone out there listening and perhaps in the same situaion or has been there helps me to cope! I stlll very confused. I did some soul searching again last night and I came to realize why I'm in my present situation. You see, I believe deep down that my wife really doesn't want to divorce or at least is on the fence about it. At least that's what I keep telling myself and reality hasn't set in yet. But it's because of this belief that we won't get a divorce, I'm hanging on to the hope that things will work itself out. I say this because if she truly want out, why hasn't she done so? Why is she still hanging around and even acting like we're still a couple like we did before this all started? She hasn't even taken steps to begin a seperation nor does she seemed motivated to start the process, but she continues to want to associate with this other guy. I know how my wife is. She can be very stubborn and resentfull. I fear that if I push her now or start giving her ultimatums, I may actually push her over the edge and lose any chance of working things out. I know this sounds crazy and not very strong minded, but I can't help it. I'm sure other men would have given their wife the boot long ago, yet I'm still hopefull and willing to take her back. I walk around dazed everyday like I'm the one who's done something wrong and my wife seems to be very annoyed with me and very short tempered lately. Acting almost like she's the one that's mad at me cause I cheated on her. It's absolutely crazy!! I know this! I understand in my mind how crazy everything is and I'm normally a very rational guy, but I can't seem to get this pain off my chest.

Thanks again guys for your feed back! Keep them coming. I need them!


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: Perplexed]
      #588200 - 10/14/09 06:25 PM

Well as many of us who have gone through this, the ones being left or dumped we hang on and we hang on and we hang on...we have hope that yes they will change their mind....and some of them do....but reality is....most don't. So its pretty normal that you believe she will change her mind...we want it so badly to happen...

I still recommend that you consider seeing a counselor to help you...just try one and if it doesn't work then try another.

And yes if you give her ultimatims and push her thats not good. The best advice is back off and just go with the flow and see what happens but take care of yourself, counseling, kids, exercise, keep focused on healthy activities and dont press her maybe that will be the manuever that works to have her reconsider....the grass does look greener on the other side until you get there.

But again, hope for the best and PLAN for the worst. Know what your rights are in the event you do get divorced, watch your accounts and assets.. don't be lulled into a sense of security.

Of course she may be short tempered...she wants out and you are an easy target and the most logical to direct her anger at...after all if it wasnt' for you she would be with the OM.

And yes many would have ended it they will not play second to OM...so ask yourself is she really worth it? Don't you deserve to have someone love you unconditionally and want to be with you?

By all means try and save your marriage, give her space but you will probably know what to do in the end...

Good luck


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Re: Is there hope? [Re: Annie7676]
      #588425 - 10/15/09 09:33 AM

Thanks Annie7676. I hear what ur saying and I've made up my mind at this point to at least back off and give her her space. I rationalized in my mind that I can't stop or control what she does. If she's gonna talk to him or see him, she's gonna find a way. By being in her face all the time when we're around each other, is only going to irritate her more. Besides, at this point, i don't think she's dumb enough to be so careless anymore about hiding things. She's already gone and changed all her passwords on her phone and email. She no longer asks to talk to the OM while i'm around. I know it's still going on, I can sense it, but she's hiding it well. While she's not leaving the home at night to meet him anymore, I know she still goes out of her way at work to see him. We all work together, but it's a very large facility and lots of areas to hide to have a private conversation. I've resolved to just let things take its course. If we stay together or seperate, I'll let fate decide, but I'm not pushing for either anymore. I'm just too exhausted and drained emotionally. I know I have my kids, that's something she can never take away from me and I will fight for everthing should the time come. In a way, I'm kinda glad that she's been so careless with her affair. I've taken steps to keep copies of phone records, emails, and a journal of things that have happened over the last 4 months. She doesn't know this of course, but I plan to use it against her if things do turn out for the worst. Who knows, if she really pi$$es me off, I may even consider to be the one to initiate the seperation and divorce. I wonder how she would take to that scenario? Bet that's something she wouldn't expect. Hmmm...something to really consider. I think I have enough ammo to mount a compelling case in court. Does anyone know if you can skip the seperation step and go straight to divorce without proof of a sexual affair? Does an emotional affair justify going straight to a divorce?

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Re: Is there hope? [Re: Perplexed]
      #589195 - 10/17/09 06:43 AM

Don't know what state you live in but most states don't care about affairs except for the Bible belt.

You need to get yourself tested to make sure she has't brought home any sexual diseases.

For me, a cheating spouse would mean the end of our marriage. I don't know that I could ever trust them again. Whatever made her want to move on, will still be in the marriage unless you both get counseling or both of you want to work on the marriage.

Good luck to you.


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