econocook
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My wife and I have been together for 15 years and have two girls, 6 and 9. We have a nice family life but she avoids intimacy with me at almost all times both inside and outside the bedroom. If I show her affection outside the bedroom she tells me to stop or tells me to save it for later and when I approach her in bed she won't kiss me, give me oral sex or pleasure me in any way. I ask her why and she says she just doesn't feel the desire to do so. When we make love (once a month or so) she won't remove her clothes except under protest and I cannot kiss or touch her breasts. She covers her face with a pillow to avoid eye contact. The only sexual involvement we ever really have is with vibrators and dildos; I give her a back rub and get her relaxed and then bring her to orgasm with a toy of some kind. We both enjoy this but I feel I need more intimacy. I talk and talk to her and she agrees she's putting up a wall but I don't know that I can take this anymore and feel I deserve a little more effort from her.
Should I just suck it up and take what I can get or should I demand that things get better or else. I recognize there are other options, like therapy, which may make her come to terms with why she feels like she does, some of which could be my fault as well. Is therapy what it always comes down to?
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BeachBabeRN
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Loc: Virginia
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Has she always responded this way? Or is there a specific point in time you can look at and think that something changed at some point?
What you're describing may be associated with an affair of some type, whether emotional, physical or both -- menopause starting -- simple lack of interest after being together for so many years -- exhaustion from caring for two kids and a house all the time if she's a SAHM -- any number of things could be contributing to this.
I will say one thing though -- I find your approach to intimacy interesting -- **she won't give me oral sex or pleasure me in any way** I know I myself, at the tail end of a marriage and at certain times during it, have felt that it didn't matter what intimacy took place as long as my EX was satisfied. For example --
I had multiple surgeries during the course of my brief marriage to him and several very real physical ailments. The LAST thing I wanted to do was have sex of ANY kind. His feeling was **well, ya got three holes, one of them will work**
Yuck.....just yuck.
Mad me fell like a complete wh*re, as there was NO compassion for what I might be feeling and that I might just not WANT to do that while dealing with what I dealt with. He would offer to at least **do me** but that's not completely satisfying to me and it actually turned out to be rather frustrating.
While I'm NOT putting everything on you, perhaps being interested in her OUTSIDE the bedroom might make her feel differently? Perhaps just reaching for her to snuggle at night would help? Without the expectation of sex?
The biggest red flag to me is that she'll cover her face with a pillow so she doesn't have to look at you -- tells me she's doing it because she's EXPECTED to or FEELS that it is expected -- she turns you into someone without a name or face and gets through it.
Would therapy help? Don't know -- but it sounds like there's a lot more to be gotten through than a simple lack of time, lack of desire, etc. She also has to WANT to go to therapy.
I recall a gentleman I dated some time ago who would always talk about sex. There wasn't a conversation that didn't include SOMETHING about it. I felt pressured and inadequate, thinking I could NEVER measure up to his past. In addition, he thought that every time we were together, he was getting some -- and sometimes that just doesn't work for me. He ended up leaving......well, okay then. Your choice.
My point is that the more you make of this, the more monumental it will seem to get past -- but I will also say that if going to therapy simply to find out what your wife is thinking as regards to sex may backfire on you. Are you truly willing to hear what she might have to say? She at least agrees that she's putting up a wall but will you listen and hear WHY she might be doing that? Then to a terapist it is -- but you might be shocked at some of the things you hear.
-------------------- Don't try to fix me, I'm not broken.
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yregna
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Reged: 07/25/06
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Loc: Oregon
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Why should she do anything she doesn't want to do ? She can have you out of the house any time, and collect a huge check in the mail every month ? Your marriage sounds like MOST marriages at that stage and age ie NORMAL.
Women have zero incentive to change anything, and every incentive to leave you unhappy. Deal with it...The law is totally NOT on your side. She can take those kids away and 2/3 of your income ANYTIME she wants to....
Maybe she NEVER needed sex or intimacy ? Too bad for you...
-------------------- "Anything free is worth what you pay for it..."
"Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get"
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shortmarriage
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Did you get married recently? I really hope she bailed on you.
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yregna
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Loc: Oregon
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It wouldn't matter if she did, I wouldn't sit home crying about it...
Plus I'd get 50% of everything, which is gold in my book.
-------------------- "Anything free is worth what you pay for it..."
"Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get"
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