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Re: Do you think he can change? [Re: losingfaith]
      #593352 - 10/29/09 10:23 AM

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well on one hand I agree he needs to stick to what it is that he says
but that's not to say that you may very well be part of his stress
I have a question
what is wrong with helping with the project
my wife use to get involved with things I did around the house
I didn't expect her to do much but she would hand me tools while I worked




and to be honest it was nice just to have the company
it's more about doing things together and spending time together

he needs to steep into your world from time to time
and you need to do the same
there is nothing wrong with this

This project is it something that you him and the kids will be able to enjoy?
if so look at it more from the aspect that you are investing in your own happiness

the counselor my wife and I were attending put it best when she said to my wife and me…
(she used a poker playing metaphor because she said relationships were like a gamble)
“You can not take someone back expecting them to be the only one that puts his or hers chips in the pot. If not it a rigged game; and no one wants to play a game that the outcome is fixed.”

She said that basically what that meant was you both need to put an effort into this. If not you are making the statement that you only forgave to punishes the other person.

he can't be the only one investing in this it must be a two way street and simply because you took him back after all he has done doest not relieve you of that reasonability. I’m not saying he is not equally responsible but you did come here looking for a way to save this.

Oh and one of the most important things she (the counselor) said was you have to put yourself into, the shoos of another and try to be understanding and patient. With out it you will never succeed.

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Standing above the crowd he had a voice that was strong and loud

Edited by losingfaith (10/29/09 10:25 AM)


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Re: Do you think he can change? [Re: losingfaith]
      #593648 - 10/30/09 08:39 AM

Again Losingfaith, thanks for your reply.

The project was an 800 square foot hardwood deck. He consulted me on some of the design, but otherwise he planned it himself. I did help with the 10,000lbs of concrete it took for the support pilons (I helped to mix and pour all of it), the ballusters, some of the drilling, etc. We have 2 young boys, the youngest was only 2 1/2 this summer, and is a happy wanderer. So much of my time outside needs to be devoted to keeping an eye on him, or I'll find him in the middle of the highway.

So while I helped, it wasn't as much as he wanted. Keep in mind that he expected me to come home, feed the kids, clean the kitchen, then go outside and spend the rest of my time helping him, then put the kids to bed, then go back outside again to help him. On top of that, I had no idea what I was doing, yet he would yell at me if I did something wrong.

Then he talked about putting a gazebo up on one spot of the deck. I knew this was in the plans, but we had discussed how this would be phase 2, ie to be done next summer. Instead, he went ahead and started it even though the deck itself wasn't finished. I did some of the roofing for the gazebo. When he messed up the cuts for the second roof, I was expected to help him fix it.

He started installing deck lights, but didn't finish that. He wanted to put in a sound system, went out and purchased the items, and put that up. Although the section of the wall that was destroyed to get the wires into the house remains unfixed.

He decided to run electrical outlets for some of the sound system, and ended up shorting out part of the house. We were without electricity in the downstairs bathroom for 2 weeks until he got around to fixing it.

On top of that, he took over the entire garage for tools and equipment. Which was ok in the summer, but he refused to clean the garage, leaving inches of sawdust all over the place to be tracked into the house, and tools left all over the floor. We had purchased cabinets and tool chests, which sat empty as all the tools were in piles all over the floor. Everytime I tried to clean he called me stupid, because he wasn't done with the project, so it was a waste of time. I tried putting tools away, but he would get upset because then he couldn't find them. I wasn't allowed to move his piles.

So now nothing is finished. Not the deck, not the gazebo. He did manage to melt part of the siding off the house when he set fire to a pile of scrap wood though, not considering the wind blowing the fire towards the house.

Although it's tempting to say, well, it's just one project, it's not. This is sort of a poster child for our relationship. What he wants to do, his project of the day (and this isn't his first one) takes precendence over anything I need or want to do. He himself has admitted this. What he finds to be important trumps me, and if I don't want to do what he wants I'm not helping or supporting him. I'm stupid and dumb and what ever other names he called me if I can't do what he wants the way he wants it done or if I contradict him.

Once he's done with the project of the moment, he's DONE. The aquarium that we have built into the house is leaking, but he hasn't fixed it. The waterfall he built last summer stopped working, and he expected me to find the leaks and to fix it this summer (although he was upset to see me doing that instead of the deck).

So again, do I help him with his projects? Yes, I do. Do I step into his world, yes. But honestly, would you want to spend time in a toxic environment like that?


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Re: Do you think he can change? [Re: Izzy695]
      #593667 - 10/30/09 09:14 AM

..::Edit::..

Ok I stand corrected
It would seam he is blaming you for his mess-ups on the project

If it were me I would have sent you to get the sound system while I worked on the project, it sounds like your husband simply doesn’t understand how to delegate the work load to best utilize and complement you abilities.

Basically in a nut shell he is not being realistic about what you can and can not do on this project. By the sound of things (ie him almost burning the house down and the bad cuts on the wood) you should be the one with the foreman hat on.
Lol
I wouldn’t repeat that to him it will only start an argument because it will make him feal belittled.


As far as a two and a half year old I can understand that also requiring a lot of attention.. It sounded as if you kids were older from the start of this thread. I apologize for making that assumption.

I honestly don’t know what else to offer.
If you want it to work make it work.
You have to make that choice no one can make it for you.


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Edited by losingfaith (10/30/09 09:45 AM)


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Re: Do you think he can change? [Re: losingfaith]
      #593682 - 10/30/09 09:27 AM

Losingfaith,

thanks again for taking the time to read such a long diatribe. I am at odds with what to do. On the one hand I've had it with his behaviour, and on the other hand I'm tempted to give him yet another chance to change.

At this point I'm just not sure I can do it again. I'm emotionally drained and feel like I'm just going to throw good energy after bad, you know what I mean?

Thanks again!


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Re: Do you think he can change? [Re: Izzy695]
      #593776 - 10/30/09 12:48 PM

Yeah unfortunately I do know what you mean
but like I said the choice is yours and yours alone to make I can only offer advice

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