Miranda
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I don't think so. I mean, I would safely assume that you hate men who murder people (probably anyone who murders people), but that does not make you mysandric, does it? Of course not.
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Huh? We are talking about alimony not murder. Gimmie a break... but while on the subject of murder Mr. Angery has posted several times about how he agrees with men that murder their wives. Sick.
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english7
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Your analogies crack me up. Murder is the same as asking for alimony?
Temporary alimony is intended to keep the separated parties on equal footing. That way each will still be able to eat and have shelter AND retain an attorney.
Do you think that a woman who fled domestic assault and has no job, clothes, furniture or a place to live is not in any way disadvantaged?
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gr8Dad
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"Huh? We are talking about alimony not murder."
No, what we are talking about is hating the ACTIONS of an individual, as opposed to the GENDER of a person.
"but while on the subject of murder Mr. Angery has posted several times about how he agrees with men that murder their wives. Sick."
And I have said repeatedly, I disagree with his delivery.
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gr8Dad
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"Temporary alimony is intended to keep the separated parties on equal footing. That way each will still be able to eat and have shelter AND retain an attorney."
Well, you didn't GET alimony, and yet you appear to have survived, how did you do it?
"Do you think that a woman who fled domestic assault and has no job, clothes, furniture or a place to live is not in any way disadvantaged?"
Actually, in a divorce situation, no, she has the upper hand, because if she is really abused (and I say that because the "abuse" card is way over played, "He YELLED at me, I am ABUSED!") she will have police reports, she will get a space at a shelter, a free (or at worst, a very cheap) attorney, and the pity of the court (some deserved, some not).
YOU chose to move down there to be with him, YOU chose to quit your job, YOU chose to run away, yet somehow you feel that HE should PAY you an EXTREMELY high amount because4 you made those choices "for" him. Gee, a guy you didn't know very well had personality faults that you didn't know about...SHOCKER!
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english7
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Where do I start?
"Well, you didn't GET alimony, and yet you appear to have survived, how did you do it?"
I "survived" by sleeping on someone's floor for one month, living in an abandoned crack house for 6-7 months (no furniture), and living in someone's attic for the month of August. Can you really say this is okay?
"Actually, in a divorce situation, no, she has the upper hand, because if she is really abused (and I say that because the "abuse" card is way over played, "He YELLED at me, I am ABUSED!") she will have police reports, she will get a space at a shelter, a free (or at worst, a very cheap) attorney, and the pity of the court (some deserved, some not)."
I have police reports. The shelter would not take me because I had a credit card. They said they had to "exhaust all other options first" before giving me shelter. Remember, he is an AF major. He has been protected. The magistrate let him go. All he had to do was say that I did not have marks on me. Then the magistrate told him not to kill the cats, as he'd threatened. The court in a military town is also going to side with "the military guy" according to my lawyer. I tried to get a free attorney. I qualified b/c of the assault, but she would not go after temporary support. The only thing she would do was dissolve the marriage. I agreed to that. Then in two weeks, she closed my case b/c it had not moved forward!!! I tried three other attorneys, all cheap, just to review the separation agreement he wanted me to sign. I paid what I could (no income), then they told me in order for them to do more, I had to pay more. So tell me how I had the upper hand!
Yeah, I chose to move to live with him. I chose to leave my job. I can tell you, I did not make that decision lightly. I made it according to all his promises. And, as I've told you before, I dated him for over 4 years. He was really good at presenting an alternate personality.
If the judge does award me back temporary spousal support, it will be justified.
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gr8Dad
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"I "survived" by sleeping on someone's floor for one month, living in an abandoned crack house for 6-7 months (no furniture), and living in someone's attic for the month of August. Can you really say this is okay?"
Why didn't you use the credit card you had to get a motel room, or a short term apartment?
"Remember, he is an AF major. He has been protected. The magistrate let him go. All he had to do was say that I did not have marks on me. Then the magistrate told him not to kill the cats, as he'd threatened."
So if you had no marks on you, what was the evidence that he abused you? Or do you think a person's "word" should be enough? And since you stated "police reportS" how many times had he hit you or abused you?
"The court in a military town is also going to side with "the military guy" according to my lawyer."
So this lawyer was SO horrible, that you based not filing in the local courts based on their word? Huh?
"I qualified b/c of the assault, but she would not go after temporary support. The only thing she would do was dissolve the marriage. I agreed to that."
Oh, so you AGREED to no temporary support? Then why would you ask for it now?
"Yeah, I chose to move to live with him. I chose to leave my job. I can tell you, I did not make that decision lightly. I made it according to all his promises."
So he lied to you, and you think he should have to PAY you SPOUSAL Support for 11 months longer than the MARRIAGE lasted? I mean a month or two, yeah, but you want over a THOUSAND dollars a month for TWO YEARS, based on a 13 month marriage.
"If the judge does award me back temporary spousal support, it will be justified."
Only if you are admitting you are nothing but a wh0re who wants to get paid for her "time".
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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english7
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"Only if you are admitting you are nothing but a wh0re who wants to get paid for her "time"."
I'm done with you, azzhole. I wish you a miserable life.
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gr8Dad
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"I'm done with you, azzhole. I wish you a miserable life."
I would survive it FAR better than you did. I was kicked out of MY residence as well. And I was ordered to pay support, both child and spousal. Not ONLY did I do that, I did it without living in a crack house, or on someone's floor. Of course, I was not one of those people raised to think that OTHER people are responsible for my choices.
You are a LEECH. You claim abuse with NO marks, and apparently MULTIPLE times, since you had police "reports", why not leave after the FIRST one? Oh, not NEARLY enough time to try and get alimony, huh?
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english7
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You are wrong about everything. But please continue to paint my situation in whatever color best supports your stance.
If only you knew what an idiot you look like.
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yngwies_guitar
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Reged: 01/11/10
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Wow things are certainly getting heated here.
Passion about this issue is a good thing because the laws concerning alimony/maintenance seem to be fundamentally unfair in most states, particularly here in IL.
I hope that this passion translates into meaningful action to get these laws amended so that some fairness can be injected into the system.
I share both gr8Dad and yregna's frustration with the system as it is because like them I have been personally affected by the current alimony system.
Indeed, it sometimes takes a person to actually experience something themselves before it motivates them to take action.
But perhaps the alimony laws are but a reflection of our society as a whole which seems to have what I call a victim mentality. Nothing is ever anybody's fault, but always someone else's. Personal responsibility seems to be an anachronism.
I can't pretend to know what english is going through for example, because I'm not her. However what I can say is that expecting someone to give you $50K for a short marriage because you feel "cheated" for lack of a better term or because promises were broken seems morally bankrupt.
It's my belief that when most women ask for alimony it isn't because they feel they need it to get on their feet. No. It seems the real reason is that it is for some form of revenge against the other party for what as I said before is an alleged wrong that was committed.
Contrast that with some women out there (God bless them) that would not ask for alimony at all. They were raised to take care of themselves, so when faced with divorce, the thought of someone partially or wholly supporting them after the relationship is over is a foreign and disgusting thought.
But of course personal responsibility cuts both ways. Indeed, most men should know by the time they are married (assuming that there was some significant dating time that occurred prior to marriage) what their wives' career proclivities are). In other words, if your wife to be is a waitress at Hooters and talks glowingly about the prospect of staying home with the kids, that should be a red flag for you men if you don't wish to pay alimony should the marriage dissolve.
It cuts both ways I suppose.
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