NoRegrets
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Ok, for those of you who want to have some fun, let’s have an esoteric discussion about a high profile divorce – the talented Kelsey Grammer and his beautiful, soon to be ex wife, Camille.
Here are the facts as I know them – They have been married for 13 years, she is a former Playboy model, 2 kids with Kelsey (both born via a surrogate ???), and 4 nannies to help with the kids. I understand there is no prenup and the two at some point started a production company where they continue to produce some tv shows and other projects.
The rumor is that that Kelsey (worth $100M) offered a $20M settlement which was rejected and they are moving the negotiations from there. California I believe is a 50/50 property state so she surely has eyes on half of whatever that is.
Camille might not win any mother of the year awards but certainly has a well documented pattern of need for child support. Quite frankly, I’m not sure how she just gets by with 4 nannies. That’s a crime in itself.
In any case, gender aside, given the situation what do u feel that someone like Camille honestly and fairly deserves and why?
Here’s what I think:
Kelsey is the star, the brand, the franchise. He was successful before her and will be after her. I imagine her contribution to their wealth was negligible at best as was her contribution to his success. So maybe she gave up her job as a playboy model. What could her earning potential possibly be? Not sure what the future in it is other than a platform to snag the rich and famous. I also have to believe the production company was a means to turn Kelsey’s nest egg into something larger, using his funds to invest in the projects, and eventually turn a bigger profit. I’m not sure what her role was but I don’t think that she had any prior entertainment or production experience. If anything, she received a well funded education in TV production while working in the company so thankfully can continue to pursue that career on her own.
So what does she deserve - 50% of the assets and income during their relationship? I think not. I would think $20M would be a gift from God and something she would never achieve in her lifetime. Taking that though would betray her true character. My judgment - $13M – one mil a year for each year she was with him. And yes, that is a gift as well but we have to give her something for her effort. That should be enough to live quite nicely. She could even fund her own production company where she might spin gold from straw. I just have a hard time with the 50/50 split when a lot less is more than enough to continue to live like a princes, albeit with a smaller castle
What do you think?
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I thought it was already a done deal and that she got $50 million.
She had 4 nannies......and did not relocate with him when his work demanded it, so I don't see how she could claim she sacrificed 'a career' for him.......I think $1 million x 13 is still way too generous. I would think CS would be high.
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She must have needed those nannies so she could take of more important stuff than her children....like shopping and getting her nails done...
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1966Gal
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Then you don't know much, nor did you do much research.
If you did, you'd find out that Kelsey was nearly broke when he married her. Due to his past marriages and past instability, he hadn't managed his money well.
Camille was much more business-savy than he was. Because of her, they made several good investments that made the COUPLE a lot of money.
Your post is so biased from the start that it's not even fair to try and debate the topic based on your "facts" because they are so lacking.
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1966Gal
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I imagine her contribution to their wealth was negligible at best
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So, are you wanting to base any discussion facts or just on "what you imagine"????
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1966Gal
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So what does she deserve - 50% of the assets and income during their relationship?
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You do remember Kelsey's past drug addiction and self-destruction behavaior, don't you?
Early in their marriage, he credited Camille for keeping him on the stragiht and narrow. Doubtful he would have had his success without her...by his own words several years ago.
Do you remember that quicky marriage he had to that strange women prior to Camille. He was running in dark, strange places, fighting numerous addictions. He credited Camille for pulling him out of all of that.
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FamilyGrammer has been married three times.
His first marriage, to dance instructor Doreen Alderman, lasted from 1982 to 1990. They had one daughter, Spencer Grammer (born October 9, 1983), an actress on the CBS Daytime soap opera As the World Turns and the ABC Family show Greek.
After this marriage, Grammer had a daughter, Greer Kandace (born February 15, 1992), with hair and makeup stylist Barrie Buckner.[12]
His second marriage, to stripper Leigh-Anne Csuhany in 1992, lasted one year. Grammer says that she was abusive and shot a gun at him,[20] and that, after talk of divorce, she attempted suicide, which resulted in the miscarriage of their child.[21]
In 1994, he met 28-year-old Tammy Baliszewski, also known as Tammy Alexander, at a bar in Manhattan Beach, California. In December 1994, the two of them appeared on the cover of People magazine, announcing their engagement and Grammer's substance abuse problems. They broke up in 1995.
In August 1997, Grammer married Camille Donatacci, a former Playboy model. They met on a blind date in 1996.[22] They have a daughter, Mason Olivia (born October 24, 2001), and a son, Jude Gordon (born August 28, 2004), both born to a surrogate mother.[12] Grammer and Donatacci have several homes that have been featured in InStyle magazine and Architectural Digest. Some are: Malibu, California (February 2001, InStyle magazine), Maui (May 2004, InStyle magazine), Long Island, New York (April 2008, InStyle magazine), Denver, Colorado (Architectural Digest), and Bel Air, Los Angeles (Architectural Digest). On June 14, 2010, Donatacci and Grammer appeared together at the Tony Awards. It was announced on July 1, 2010 that Donatacci had filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.[23]
On August 12, 2010, Grammer announced that he was going to be a father for the fifth time with girlfriend Kayte Walsh.[24] On October 9, 2010, Grammer announced that Walsh had miscarried six weeks earlier.[25] On December 28, 2010, Grammer announced their engagement.[26]
[edit] Defamation lawsuitIn 1995, Grammer was sued by ex-girlfriend Cerlette Lamme for defamation of character and invasion of privacy over content he included in his autobiography So Far.[27]
[edit] Sex tape lawsuitIn 1998, Grammer filed a lawsuit against Internet Entertainment Group, which Grammer claimed had stolen from his home a videotape of him having sex with a woman. IEG countersued Grammer, denying they were in possession of such a tape, and Grammer's suit was eventually dropped.[28] IEG President Seth Warshavsky told the New York Post, "We have been presented with another Kelsey Grammer tape. But we have no plans to air it. We are still evaluating it at this time."[29] Grammer later told Maxim, "Whether or not you’re a celebrity—even if you’re just an old slob with a video camera—you don’t realize you shouldn’t do it. So you throw the tape in the back of a dark closet until your old girlfriend remembers it’s there because you’re famous now and she’s not. But if you’re not prepared to do the time, don’t do the crime."[30]
[edit] Copyright lawsuitIn August 2008, Bradley Blakeman, a former aide to George W. Bush, filed a copyright lawsuit in federal court on Long Island over Grammer's movie Swing Vote, claiming that parts of its plot and marketing had been stolen from him. The lawsuit claimed that Blakeman had given a copyrighted screenplay called Go November to Grammer in 2006, and that Grammer agreed to develop the project and star as a Republican president but instead ended up playing a similar role in Swing Vote, which was released on August 1, 2008. Grammer's spokesman dismissed the claims as "frivolous" and a "waste of time". The lawsuit claims that Blakeman's copyrighted screenplay had the same basic plot as Swing Vote.[31]
[edit] Substance abuseGrammer began drinking at age nine[32] and became a frequent abuser of alcohol. In 1988, he was sentenced to 30 days in jail for drunk driving and cocaine possession. He was again arrested for cocaine possession in August 1990 and was sentenced to three years' probation, fined $500, and given 300 hours of community service. In January 1991, he was given an additional two years' probation for violating his original probation through additional cocaine use. In September 1996, he flipped his Dodge Viper while intoxicated and subsequently checked into the Betty Ford Center for 30 days.[33]
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NoRegrets
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Uh oh. There may be mitigating factors here. No prenup and a big mouth in the press. tsk, tsk Kelsey.
You can still run in the dark and be financially successful - think Charlie Sheen. I refuse to give her all the credit.
OK, the $13M is justified, and maybe earned, but not a penny more!
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1966Gal
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Here you are. In Kelsey's own words. Without Camille, he wouldn't have had anything. Also, you have no idea how much she contributed to his career in the background. Like other managers, agents. You don't see them, but they are there.
I'm a very lucky man
I’m an addictive personality,” Kelsey Grammer says. “I was addicted to danger and dangerous girls, and it took me to things that were very destructive for me.”
Kelsey Grammer, 52, battled substance abuse, failed marriages and other troubles during his rise to fame on the hit TV shows Cheers and Frasier. His new comedy series, Back to You, premieres Sept. 19 on Fox TV.
“I liked the addictions,” he tells me. “I’m not going to lie about it. But I got in too deep. I probably would’ve died if I hadn’t stopped.”
Kelsey Grammer and I sit in the sunroom of his elegant country house outside New York City, one of four luxurious homes that he owns with his third wife, Camille Donatacci, 38, a sometime Playboy model. They have a 2-year-old son, Jude, and a daughter, Mason, 5.
“I’ve been through my share of tough times,” says Grammer. “I’m a very different guy now.”
Family misfortunes occurred at a young age. When Kelsey was just 12, his grandfather suddenly died, and a year later, his dad, Allen, the owner of a small magazine on the island of St. Thomas, was shot to death.
“Those early losses took a big bite out of any joy,” he says. “But they helped me understand that we’ve only got a limited time, so you can’t yield to anxieties or even to tragedies. Giving up was not an option. You persevere.”
At 18, Grammer left his family’s home in Pompano Beach, Fla., to study drama at the prestigious Juilliard School in New York. But he was expelled for skipping too many classes.
And then another tragedy struck that would change his life. In the summer of 1975, his sister, Karen Grammer , was abducted in Colorado Springs, raped and slashed. Abandoned, she bled to death. She was 18.
Kelsey went to Colorado and brought his little sister’s body home to Pompano Beach for burial. Her death opened an emotional hole he found impossible to close. “I was young, 20. It was very hard,” he quietly tells me. “I was disconsolate. I tried to understand why people I loved died. Why did they have to suffer? There is no uplifting answer.
“Recently, I got news that the man who did this to Karen is now eligible for parole,” he continues. “There is a hearing sometime later this year that I will attend. I am angry about him. I never had the opportunity to speak for my sister before. I will now.”
The horror of his sister’s death led Grammer to heavy alcohol and drug abuse. “It was probably the catalyst that got me into a really big problem for at least the next 15 years,” he says.
Grammer returned to New York and supported himself by painting apartments until he began to land acting jobs in regional theater on both coasts. At 29, he was cast as the pompous but good-hearted psychiatrist Dr. Frasier Crane on Cheers. He stayed on TV for nine seasons. The popular show led to the 1993 spin-off Frasier, where he starred for an additional 11 seasons and ended up winning four Emmys.
Despite his professional success, his drinking worsened, and he experimented with a variety of drugs, including Ecstasy, Valium and cocaine. He was arrested twice and later served 90 days house arrest and three years probation as part of his sentencing.
The despair that drove his drug and alcohol use led Grammer into destructive relationships. “ I’m attracted to threshold experiences—to chaos, insanity, mayhem,” he says, “so I was drawn to women who were dramatic, emotional and unpredictable, with great sexual energy. I liked surprises. I liked women who could be demonstrative, demanding, socially unacceptable. While I was dealing with those desires, I was also trying to reconcile how I was actually living my life with how I thought my life should be lived—the traditional idea of a normal existence with a wife, a family.”
In 1982, he married dancer Doreen Alderman. They had a daughter, Spencer, now 23, who is starring in Greek, a series on the ABC Family channel about a college campus. The marriage lasted two years. “We tried therapy at one point, and the doctor just looked at us and said: ‘You guys don’t have a chance.’”
He went on to other partners—including makeup artist Barrie Buckner, with whom he had his second daughter, Greer, now 15. There also was a long love affair with former professional ice skater Cerlette Lamme, a tumultuous nine-month marriage to an exotic dancer and a two-year engagement to model Tammi Baliszewski.
“I have always been a monogamist,” he asserts without irony. “One woman at a time. I never went into a new relationship while I was in a marriage.”
His serial monogamy ended in 1996 when he fell in love with Camille Donatacci at a dinner with his agent in New York.
“It was love at first sight,” he says, “but I was scared. I’d been with girls before who I believed were right for me, and it turned out I was wrong. I was afraid of making another mistake, another failed marriage. But, corny as it sounds, I think Camille saw in me a great guy who needed love. It takes a lot of courage to love. Isn’t that why we’re here—to love, regardless of the cost? She decided to give me love.”
In 1996, with Camille’s support, Kelsey entered the Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, Calif., and started straightening out his tangled life. He has been sober ever since. The next year, he and Camille wed. “We take care of each other equally. That’s something new for me.”
In 2004, Camille was treated for a painful, chronic gastrointestinal disorder. “She nearly died,” he tells me. “She picked up something while in Italy and was hospitalized for weeks. It was horrible. Camille was given last rites. I quit working for two years because she was so sick. But she is so much better now. Camille is everything to me.”
He smiles, adding, “I am a very lucky man. Somehow, love just came out of the world toward me, and with it, a sense of fulfillment and joy. ”
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Edited by 1966Gal (01/27/11 03:39 PM)
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1966Gal
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I refuse to give her all the credit.
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She's not asking for ALL of the credit. He was the talent. She was the backbone. Sounds like a pretty dynamic team.
Kelsey said it himself "We take care of each other equally."
What part of 'equally' is ambiguous? 50/50.
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