gr8Dad
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 06/07/04
Posts: 30199
|
|
"Can you reduce it to zero??"
If I have to, yes. If my income were to go to ZERO, we would make due with what we had.
"Everyone can reduce their spending, cp, ncp... I know my ex is not most ncps, but he certainly can reduce his spending on ds to zero... regardless of what goes on or how badly the money may be needed."
So he can voluntarily reduce what he pays to CSE without any arrears or penalty? Wow, how does he do that?
--------------------
Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
|
Sherron
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 11/25/06
Posts: 20056
|
|
"If I have to, yes. If my income were to go to ZERO, we would make due with what we had."
You can spend absolutely nothing on your kids? Wow, that's a neat trick, maybe you can share with the rest of us how you can raise kids and spend absolutely nothing on them...
"So he can voluntarily reduce what he pays to CSE without any arrears or penalty? Wow, how does he do that?"
Oh, he accrues arrears. Basically, I float him an interest free loan indefinitely while I take care of business. I don't have that option as a CP, do you?? Penalties, I'm not sure what you're talking about... he does occasionally get to go to court, where the judge gives him a speech on how he really, really has to pay.
|
Sherron
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 11/25/06
Posts: 20056
|
|
Is it really that hard to admit that ncps can handle it differently than cps, that ncps can postpone expense related to child rearing to a certain degree, and cps can't...? I mean, really, if you had zero income you would make due with what you had and not spend another dime on your kids? Do you realize how SILLY that sounds...
|
gr8Dad
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 06/07/04
Posts: 30199
|
|
"You can spend absolutely nothing on your kids? Wow, that's a neat trick, maybe you can share with the rest of us how you can raise kids and spend absolutely nothing on them..."
During short term rough economic times, you would be surprised what one can do.
"Oh, he accrues arrears."
Oh, so in other words, NO< he CANNOT reduce what he spends on the kids.
"I don't have that option as a CP, do you??"
Yes you do, and you do it all the time. "Sorry guys, cable has to be cut back, can't afford it. Oh, and no vacation this year, can't afford it." We ALL do it.
--------------------
Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
|
gr8Dad
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 06/07/04
Posts: 30199
|
|
"that ncps can postpone expense related to child rearing to a certain degree, and cps can't...?"
When the CP cuts back, they are not made to pay it back.
"that ncps can postpone expense related to child rearing to a certain degree, and cps can't...?"
CP's don't HAVE to.
"I mean, really, if you had zero income you would make due with what you had and not spend another dime on your kids? Do you realize how SILLY that sounds..."
What other option would I have? Kill the kids? Please...
--------------------
Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
|
Sherron
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 11/25/06
Posts: 20056
|
|
"During short term rough economic times, you would be surprised what one can do."
No, I don't think so.
"Oh, so in other words, NO< he CANNOT reduce what he spends on the kids."
Okay... he can delay spending on the kids indefinitely... is that wording better?
|
gr8Dad
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 06/07/04
Posts: 30199
|
|
"No, I don't think so."
You, I KNOW so. If your income goes to ZERO, you do what you have to do. I mean it is a no brainer, you HAVE to survive.
"Okay... he can delay spending on the kids indefinitely... is that wording better?"
It is COMPLETELY different. He can DELAY it, you can ELIMINATE it.
You are just being a pain in the ass. You UNDERSTAND this. If an NCP owes $400 a month, and loses their job, they STILL owe $400 a month, and MIGHT be able to get into court in a few months and reduce it...MAYBE. And he STILL owes the back amount.
If a CP loses their job, they can begin reducing right away. Oh, and they OWE nothing.
--------------------
Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
|
DedicatedDad
veteran
Reged: 09/05/04
Posts: 1318
|
|
I understand both sides of the coin here....but I don't see any CP's trying to switch sides because they think the NCP has it economically easier.
Logically, the CP has 1 household to support, and can have several sources of income; their own wages, child support and the government.
The NCP has to support their own household plus a portion of another, and has only themselves as the source of income.
Beyond that, I have my kids 1/2 the time so I know exactly what it costs to raise them. What I pay in support is about twice what I spend when with me, so if I had them 100% of the time with no support paid or received, I'd be better off economically.
|
Liamsmommy2007
recently joined
Reged: 12/04/11
Posts: 9
|
|
Thank you Sherron for your support. I am newly divorced not even a year yet so I am still trying to get my barrings on how best to deal with my ex's non-payment. However I agree I cannot just turn off supporting my children like my ex can. If he chooses to not send in a support payment there isn't a direct and immediate negative consequence. If I choose not to pay daycare there is a direct and immediate consequence- I am not allowed to drop them off and since I won't have child care I can't work and I will lose my job. If I choose to not buy food to feed my children the state calls me a bad mother and my children are removed.
He really is choosing not to pay the support. I know this based on his previous actions and current actions.
To dedicateddad- I know my case may not be common but I support my family 100% without support and 98% when my ex actually does pay. I do not collect any sort of government aid or support. I sort of wish I did especially for times like this! But with my income I am not eligible. So in my case my ex does not support two households he doesn't even support his own since his mother owns the condo he lives in and pays his phone bill. He doesn't have a car so the only other bills he has is food, electricity and maybe cable?
|
Sherron
Carpal \'Tunnel
Reged: 11/25/06
Posts: 20056
|
|
"You, I KNOW so. If your income goes to ZERO, you do what you have to do. I mean it is a no brainer, you HAVE to survive."
I don't think so, as in I don't think I would be surprised what one can do during rough economic times... the no brainer is that you have no idea what I have and haven't done to make things work.
"It is COMPLETELY different. He can DELAY it, you can ELIMINATE it."
No, I have yet to figure out how as a cp I can spend zero dollars on raising them.
"You are just being a pain in the ass. You UNDERSTAND this. If an NCP owes $400 a month, and loses their job, they STILL owe $400 a month, and MIGHT be able to get into court in a few months and reduce it,...MAYBE. And he STILL owes the back amount.
If a CP loses their job, they can begin reducing right away. Oh, and they OWE nothing. "
So which is it, reduce or eliminate, because there is a difference... cps owe nothing, except the bills they may have not paid because hey, the kids have to eat. I don't have the option to just "owe" indefinitely for 100% of my share of raising kids, no matter how much you cuss.
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
[Re: 
Edit
Reply
Quote
