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By DARREN SAMUELSOHN
Tea party favorite Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) said Thursday that Na zi propagandist Joseph Goebbels would be "very proud" of Democrats for shifting public sentiment against Republicans, and he blamed the press for helping spread their message.
"If Joseph Goebbels was around, he'd be very proud of the Democrat Party because they have an incredible propaganda machine," West told reporters in the Capitol. "I think that you have, and let's be honest, you know, some of the people in the media are complicit in this, in enabling them to get that type of message out."
West was responding to a question about Congress’s low poll numbers and the fact that public blame is centered more on the Republicans. A Pew Research Center poll released Thursday found two in three voters in favor of tossing out most members of Congress in 2012, with a larger share of the blame aimed at the GOP.
The freshman Republican, whose district is in heavily Jewish South Florida, said his reference to Goebbels wasn’t designed to link Democrats to the overall Na zi party.
"I'm talking about propaganda, OK," he said. "Don't start taking my words and twisting it around. I'm talking about propaganda. And I think that's a very important thing. When you tell me that everyone thinks that the only people on Capitol Hill are House Republicans, it's because that's what's being portrayed, is that there's nobody else up here."
"Once again, you guys will take whatever I say and you will spin it to try to demonize me or demagogue me,” West added. “What I'm talking about is a person that was the minister of propaganda. And I'm talking about propaganda. So please. I'll be prepared to wake up tomorrow and you guys make up some crazy story. Whatever."
West added that Republicans "need to do a better job of being messengers."
"It's the truth. I think that we are not proactive messengers. We are reactive. We need to be able to go out and hone our message and all of us need to have that, whether from the RNC, the NRSC, the NRCC. Every one of us should be on the same sheet of music as far as what we're saying."
West has drawn criticism several times before for making [censored] -related references.
During his 2010 campaign, West refused to apologize for accusing Democratic trackers of “Gestapo-type intimidation tactics.” Then-Rep. Ron Klein blasted West’s remarks, saying the Republican had “shown reckless disregard and appalling disrespect to Holocaust victims and survivors."
This article first appeared on POLITICO Pro at 4:02 p.m. on December 15, 2011.
>>>>>>>>> Apparently he's never heard of Fox .
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What can you expect from a black member of a white supremacist motorcycle gang.
Only Pelosi can make na zi references... Allen West should know his place.
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Only Pelosi can make na zi references...
>>>>>>>> Or Fox regulars .
Allen West should know his place.
>>>>>>>> Would that be on the " Democratic plantation " ?
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Per your own rules you are not permitted to criticize republicans who make naz i references, since you did not call out democrats who did that to Bush before.
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your own rules you are not permitted to criticize republicans who make naz i references, since you did not call out democrats who did that to Bush before.
>>>>>>>>> My rule ?
Sorry , I didn't DISCUSS politics HERE before 2009 . I STARTED after reading the comments form the far rightwing NUTJOBS .
I'll be patiently waiting for the baggers to call West a " race baiter " .
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Only Pelosi can make na zi references...
>>>>>>>>>> BTW , Pelosi didn't say protestors were Na zis , she said they were carrying Swa stikas , which they WERE .
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Why would someone who referenced a political party be called a race baiter? The na zis were not a race.
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">>>>>>>>>> BTW , Pelosi didn't say protestors were Na zis , she said they were carrying Swa stikas , which they WERE ."
And West said they have a great propaganda machine, which they do...
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Why would someone who referenced a political party be called a race baiter? The na zis were not a race.
GOP Rep. Allen West believes that the Democratic Party is akin to a modern-day “plantation.”
In an interview on Wednesday night’s “O’Reilly Factor,” he told guest host Laura Ingraham that he is the “modern-day Harriet Tubman“ and that he wants to lead fellow African Americans away from the the ”21st century plantation.”
West made extremely bold statements throughout the interview, apparently undeterred by any negative response he might receive from the Democratic Party or from fellow African Americans. Commenting on anger that was seen at a Congressional Black Caucus (of which West is the only GOP member) town hall meeting in Detroit this week, he said:
“The people on that plantation are upset because they’ve been disregarded, disrespected and their concerns are not cared about…I’m here as the modern-day Harriet Tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility.”
West went on to dismiss some African American leaders as “nothing more than overseers over that plantation” and he stated his belief that white liberals have relied upon people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to support Democratic policies. These individuals, he claims, have failed to addresses important matters. West also discussed recent flash mobs (as per the Huffington Post):
The freshman Republican said the fact that black leaders have done nothing in response to the recent spate of flash mobs in U.S. cities is proof of their disconnect from the black community. This summer has been marked by flash mobs in several cities, including Philadelphia and Cleveland, and are thought to be fueled by growing discontent among unemployed urban youth.
He also went on to say that Republicans have not done well drawing black voters into the conservative movement. That said, he explained that there is an opportunity for conservatives to reach African Americans by connecting with them on the issues of “individual responsibility and accountability, faith and family, [and] hard work ethic.”
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And West said they have a great propaganda machine, which they do...
>>>>>>>>> So back up your statement she called people " Na zis " .
Apparently he doesn't have a problem with Fox .
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">>>>>>>>> So back up your statement she called people " Na zis " ."
Why would you ask me to back up a statement I didn't make... I said she made a na zi reference... which she did...
"Apparently he doesn't have a problem with Fox ."
Posting an article that originated with politico while harping on Fox... fail...
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">>>>>>>>>>> Clear ? "
Clear... and I agree with West.
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Supposed propaganda hasn't hurt the GOP in the public's eye. Being an impotent party which has got sh!t all done in the last few years has hurt their image. Maybe if Mr West was a bit more self reflective he's focus on his part in their sh!tty job, and not attempt to deflect blame for his party's shortcomings.
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So controlling one portion of one branch for 6 months and getting nothing done is bad, but controling BOTH houses for 5 years and getting nothing done is okay...hmmmm
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[quote]">>>>>>>>>> BTW , Pelosi didn't say protestors were Na zis , she said they were carrying Swa stikas , which they WERE ."
And West said they have a great propaganda machine, which they do... [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Except Pelosi didn't make a Na zi comparison , she ACCURATELY said baggers were carrying SWASTIKAS , West offers OPINION . Do you know the difference ?
So the rightwing propaganda machine ( that you obviously believe ) said Pelosi was calling the baggers Na zis ( a lie ) and yet they ignored the signs those baggers had calling Democrats Na zis .
So much for Dem propaganda .
Na zi comparisons are wrong unless you're Alan West .
Same for " race baiting " , only allowable when it's Clarence Thomas , Herman Cain or West .
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Why would you ask me to back up a statement I didn't make... I said she made a na zi reference... which she did...
>>>>>>>>>>> You mean it's a reference to ACCURATELY describe what SOMEONE else is doing ?
Posting an article that originated with politico while harping on Fox... fail...
>>>>>>>>>>>. Ya mean Politico is liberal ? HAHAHAHA .
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Clear... and I agree with West.
>>>>>>>>>> So you agree with the " race card " ?
So what else do you believe ?
Nothing like a conservative calling other blacks " plantation overseers " . Especially one from the " whitest " congressional district in Florida .
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So controlling one portion of one branch for 6 months and getting nothing done is bad
>>>>>>>>> It's been only six months since January ?
You're still bad at math .
Then again there was that bang up job the Repukes did from 1994-2006 .
Don't forget GW's amazing presidency .
but controling BOTH houses for 5 years and getting nothing done is okay...hmmmm
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow , you ARE bad at math . 2007-2011 would be 4 years . OMG , the government didn't almost shut down multiple times ONCE during those years . See what happens when you have to clean up after 12 years of a GOP Congress beset my ethics scandals and poor accounting ?
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So you are making the case that, using the number YOU corrected me with, ONE year in office is enough time to expect results for REPUBLICANS, but FOUR years in office is not enough time to expect the DEMOCRATS to fic something? Oh yeah, THEY have to fix what the REPUBLICANS did it 1994...SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO.
You are a Democrat STOOGE.
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So you are making the case that, using the number YOU corrected me with, ONE year in office is enough time to expect results for REPUBLICANS, but FOUR years in office is not enough time to expect the DEMOCRATS to fic something?
>>>>>>>> I believe you were complaining about Obama within weeks of his taking office . As for the Dem majority ? 2007 had the lowest deficit since 2002 after they had to pass all the spending bills the prior GOP majorities left UNFINISHED . Who'd have thought within 9 months we'd enter the worst recession in 80 years ? Oh , that's right , deregulation , overspending and reducing revenue via TAX CUTS certainly HELPED .
So what are the GOP doing to help NOW ? Defunding Planned Parenthood ? Attempting to shut down the government ? Refusing to raise the debt limit without ideological goodies ? Same ole bullshyt , different day .
Oh yeah, THEY have to fix what the REPUBLICANS did it 1994...SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO.
>>>>>>>>>>> GOP majorities 94-2006 .
Tax cuts , deregulation , overspending .
Yeah , that's the Repubs .
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You know, you are the ONLY one on here that is ONLY holding the Republicans responsible. Me, Red, even spinner, have ALL said accountability for EVERYONE, and criticized BOTH sides. You blame ALL of it on the Republicans, and give the Dems a pass EVERY time.
Doesn't that get OLD for you after a while?
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personally I wish they would just get rid of the sides..put someone in office that has no side and just run the country for the greater good.
A happy medium would be nice.
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You know, you are the ONLY one on here that is ONLY holding the Republicans responsible. Me, Red, even spinner, have ALL said accountability for EVERYONE, and criticized BOTH sides.
>>>>>>>> You might want to reread your own HISTORY here .
See what happens when I argue like YOU ?
Get your GOP pompoms ready .
You blame ALL of it on the Republicans, and give the Dems a pass EVERY time.
>>>>>>>>>> Incorrect .
Doesn't that get OLD for you after a while?
>>>>>>>>> Not as long as teabaggers are around to subject the country to Gingrich , Perry , Bachman , Cain , Gohlmert , King , Skeletor Scott in Fla , Deadbeat Joe Walsh , and especially Alan West .
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ROTFLMAO. Interpeted? "I do NOT only blame the Republicans...but they are responsible for all of it."
You are truly a lost cause.
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ROTFLMAO. Interpeted? "I do NOT only blame the Republicans...but they are responsible for all of it."
>>>>>>>>>>> They certainly received a pass before 2009 . Ya know , your man crush on GW .
You are truly a lost cause.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah , I'm the one backing losers like Cain , Gingrich and Ron Paul .
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Prior to 2009 , no one , I repeat NO ONE could complain about Republicans without listening to you GUSH over GW the Liberator , while espousing every back asswards conservative talking point , ya know , tax cuts RAISE revenues . Since then it's been NONSTOP conservative conspiracy theories , ACORN , New Black Panthers , Solyndra , BIRTHERS , voter fraud , "po people" buying " too much house " , etc . Wanna show me where you blame REPUBLICANS ?
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I think they should amend the constitution to allow me to run for office. I know I'd be better than any of these pretenders.
I haven't cheated on multiple wives like Gingrich
I'm not married to a moron who thinks you can convert homosexuals to hetrosexuals like Bachmann
I don't wear magical underwear like Mitt Romney
I'm not a redneck like Rick Perry
I'm not a nerd like Ron Paul
John Huntsman Jr...see Mitt Romney
I'm not a homophobe like Rick Santorum
I'm not apathetic like Obama
So it's pretty obvious I'm superior to all of these people. But the jobs pay is pretty crappy.
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I have admitted to those times when I was wrong, I have stated that I do not think Bush was right in all aspects. Can you point out where YOU ever held the DEMOCRATS responsible?
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You could run as a Republican if you're willing to shove your head up your ass .
I'm on the Spinner bandwagon . What America needs is a CANADIAN .
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Can you point out where YOU ever held the DEMOCRATS responsible?
>>>>>>>>>> What am I holding them responsible for ? Fantasy scandals peddled by the conspiracy driven GOP propaganda machine ?
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LOL, so the Democrats, having been in charge since the beginning of 2009, are not responsible for ANYTHING? That, in of itself, is something to blame them for.
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Amuse me and name a few .
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"You could run as a Republican if you're willing to shove your head up your ass ."
Yeah, you can only run as a Democrat if you're willing to shove your head up someone ELSE'S ass...
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Tell that to Boehner , his caucus is using him for an anal douche .
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Name a few things the Democrats have done wrong? How about extending the "Bush" tax cuts? Troop increases in a war they claimed to be AGAINST? A healthcare bill that will bankrupt us?
I mean REALLY, regardless of where you stand politically, EVERY party or group does SOMETHING wrong. Even OBAMA admitted that his "shovel ready" projects were not really shovel ready.
But PLEASE, just stop beating around the bush (pun intended) and make the ACTUAL claim that the Democrats have NOT done ANYTHING wrong in the last four years.
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Hohum , more DISINFORMATION .
Name a few things the Democrats have done wrong? How about extending the "Bush" tax cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow , nothing was going to get done till the GOP got an extension , they INSISTED on TAX CUTS you LOVED . I suppose you blame the victim in a hostage situation as well ?
Troop increases in a war they claimed to be AGAINST?
>>>>>>> Which war ( that's now officially over with NO ADDITIONAL troops ) were they AGAINST ?
A healthcare bill that will bankrupt us?
>>>>>>>>> Sez who ?
mean REALLY, regardless of where you stand politically, EVERY party or group does SOMETHING wrong. Even OBAMA admitted that his "shovel ready" projects were not really shovel ready.
>>>>>>>>> And yet the economy went from RECESSION to RECOVERY .
But PLEASE, just stop beating around the bush (pun intended) and make the ACTUAL claim that the Democrats have NOT done ANYTHING wrong in the last four years.
>>>>>>>>>> Why bother , it's so much better to shoot down your imaginary ones .
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">>>>>>>>>>> Wow , nothing was going to get done till the GOP got an extension , they INSISTED on TAX CUTS you LOVED . I suppose you blame the victim in a hostage situation as well ?"
Keep digging. When the GOP has a majority, its THEIR fault, when the Dems have a majority, its the GOP's fault for threatening something. Democrat STOOGE that you are...
">>>>>>> Which war ( that's now officially over with NO ADDITIONAL troops ) were they AGAINST ?"
The war in IRAQ. You know, the one they were FOR before they were against.
">>>>>>>>> Sez who ?"
The CBO.
">>>>>>>>> And yet the economy went from RECESSION to RECOVERY ."
Oh, so the CURRENT state of the economy is credited to the people who are CURRENTLY in office, right? Unless a REPUBLICAN is in office, then its credited to the Democrats who went before. STOOOOOOOOGE!
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Keep digging. When the GOP has a majority, its THEIR fault, when the Dems have a majority, its the GOP's fault for threatening something. Democrat STOOGE that you are...
>>>>>>>>>> When the Senate MINORITY uses and ABUSES the filibuster MAKING routine legislation IMPOSSIBLE , it's not the Dems fault . Insisting on a TAX EXTENSION CUT ( without offsetting them ) as a baseline for negotiations isn't the Dems fault . Which party is STILL trying to make them PERMANENT ? Which party is trying to cut taxes MORE ?
The war in IRAQ. You know, the one they were FOR before they were against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So who was against it ? Besides RON PAUL !!!
The CBO.
>>>>>>>>>>> Incorrect , the bill CUTS the deficit . Want the proof ?
Oh, so the CURRENT state of the economy is credited to the people who are CURRENTLY in office, right? Unless a REPUBLICAN is in office, then its credited to the Democrats who went before. STOOOOOOOOGE!
>>>>>>>>>>>> The " Great Recession " started in late 2007 and ended in 2009 . Who was in the majority then ? Who was President ? Which party tried and is still trying to sabotage the economy ?
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Name a few things the Democrats have done wrong? How about extending the "Bush" tax cuts?
>>>>>>>>>> I checked and no suprise YOU'RE FOS .
Votes on the bill to extend GW's tax cuts.
In the House only 54.7% of Democrats voted for while 77% of Republicans did . The bill WOULDN'T have passed without the GOP .
In the Senate 76.2% of Dems supported , 87.8% of REPUBLICANS did as well .
again , it WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED WITHOUT GOP SUPPORT . In fact OVERWHELMING support .
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Wow, so you are SUCH a Dem stooge that you think that 54% and 76% of Democrats voting for something means they DIDN'T support it?
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Neither was the majority needed to PASS A BILL . A LARGER PERCENTAGE of GOPers voted in FAVOR , GET IT ?
Where's the blame for them ?
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It WAS a "larger percentage" because there were fewer ACTUAL GOPers in the group.
But that is not the topic. The TOPIC was did the DEMOCRATS do anything wrong. So wouldn't ANY percentage of Democrats voting to extend the "Bush" tax cuts be "wrong", and thus worthy of your criticism?
I mean I KNOW the truth, just wondering if you have the COURAGE to admit it.
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It WAS a "larger percentage" because there were fewer ACTUAL GOPers in the group.
>>>>>>>>> 138 Republicans in the House voted for it , 139 Dems , 218 votes are REQUIRED for passage .
Far more Democrats voted AGAINST it .
But that is not the topic. The TOPIC was did the DEMOCRATS do anything wrong. So wouldn't ANY percentage of Democrats voting to extend the "Bush" tax cuts be "wrong", and thus worthy of your criticism?
>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't their idea , it WAS A CONDITION for the GOP to PASS THE BILL .
Which they did OVERWHELMINGLY .
I mean I KNOW the truth, just wondering if you have the COURAGE to admit it.
>>>>>>>>>>. The truth that the GOP wants to make them PERMANENT and each GOP candidate for President wants to cut taxes MORE ?
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">>>>>>>>> 138 Republicans in the House voted for it , 139 Dems , 218 votes are REQUIRED for passage .
Far more Democrats voted AGAINST it ."
And what were the actual numbers in the SENATE? I BET you don't have the BALLS to post them. But aside from that, did the Democrats that voted FOR it do something wrong? Shouldn't THEY be criticized as well?
">>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't their idea , it WAS A CONDITION for the GOP to PASS THE BILL ."
But they VOTED for it, so they share the blame, right?
">>>>>>>>>>. The truth that the GOP wants to make them PERMANENT and each GOP candidate for President wants to cut taxes MORE"
And since the Dems control the Senate and the White House, and the House until this year, they have RAISED taxes, right? Or have then consistently extended the HORRIBLE Bush tax cuts?
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And what were the actual numbers in the SENATE?
>>>>>>>>>> You'd be WRONG AGAIN .
44, with 60 ( thanks to Republicans ) needed to pass .
The percentage of Republicans as STILL higher .
But they VOTED for it, so they share the blame, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope . It wouldn't be in there unless the GOP insisted it be included , just like they INSIST they be made PERMANENT .
And since the Dems control the Senate and the White House, and the House until this year, they have RAISED taxes, right? Or have then consistently extended the HORRIBLE Bush tax cuts?
>>>>>>>>>>> According to moronic Tea Baggers taxes have never been higher .
Consistantly is once ?
BTW , why are you now against GW's tax cuts , you've ALWAYS said tax cuts RAISE REVENUE ?
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Senate Republicans promised Wednesday to block legislative action on every issue being considered by the lame-duck Congress until the dispute over extending the Bush-era tax cuts is resolved and an extension of current government funding is approved.
All 42 Senate Republicans signed a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, vowing to prevent a vote on "any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Defend the "hostage takers " .
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">>>>>>>>>>>> Nope . It wouldn't be in there unless the GOP insisted it be included , just like they INSIST they be made PERMANENT ."
Of course not, because you don't think Democrats are responsible for ANYTHING. Personally, I hold people responsible for the choices they make, even in a compromise. If you vote FOR something, you are RESPONSIBLE for it.
"BTW , why are you now against GW's tax cuts , you've ALWAYS said tax cuts RAISE REVENUE ?"
I am NOT against them. I think they SHOULD be made permenant. It YOU who claims the Dems are against them, despite their CONSTANT re-instating of them.
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Wow, so the Republicans are responsible for the Senate NOT passing a budget (their FVCKING JOB) for over 800 days? Nope, what they are responsible for it STOPPING the Dems in the Senate from ONCE AGAIN kicking the budgetary can down the street.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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googledad
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Wow, so the Republicans are responsible for the Senate NOT passing a budget (their FVCKING JOB) for over 800 days?
>>>>>>>>> Distraction .
As the GOP majorities form earlier this decade PROVED , a budget is WORTHLESS when you can use SUPPLIMENTAL SPENDING bills to EXCEED it .
Nope, what they are responsible for it STOPPING the Dems in the Senate from ONCE AGAIN kicking the budgetary can down the street.
>>>>>>>>> By what ? Insisting the administration make a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline by including it in a bill to cut taxes , fix the " doc fix " they created and extend unemployment benefits ?
Why are we still " kicking the can " on a " doc fix " the GOP passed over 10 years ago ?
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Careful. We don't want to learn from this.
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