cpnebraska
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Ok, so, a friend called me with this question.
NCP moved out of state for a better job. one child DS5 (I think he is 5)
CP lives here with parents and is a student with no job.
NCP asked when DS could come for the 2 week summer visit.Trying to plan ahead for travel cost.
CP stated that since NCP moved out of state their custody agreement was null and void.
IS this true? AS far as I am aware nothing in the agreement states anything about moving out of state.
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Sherron
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"CP stated that since NCP moved out of state their custody agreement was null and void."
What does the cp base this on? I guess it's possible that there is wording in the co to that effect, but lacking that... no, the co stands, and if it allowed for 2 weeks of parenting time during the summer before the move, ncp still gets them after the move.
I'd let the friend know, hey, I don't think that sounds right, but why don't you call up a lawyer and ask to be sure. And then I'd ask why is that even a question... ordered or not, is there a reason that the ncp should not have 2 weeks with the child in the summer.
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I doubt its null and void, but sounds like it needs to be modified. Regardless of the issues between parents, the child needs to have access to both. Tell your friend to work it out.
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cpnebraska
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They have always co-parented well. CP did not object to NCP's move.
I told NCP I doubted it wasn't valid but NCP is checking.
It does need to be modified now that CP is not coparenting.
There is no "reason" NCP should not see the child. CP has never had an issue with visitation before.
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I bet CP thinks the visitation part is null and void, but not the CS part, huh? LOL
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~~NCP asked when DS could come for the 2 week summer visit.Trying to plan ahead for travel cost.
CP stated that since NCP moved out of state their custody agreement was null and void.~~
The NCP can still enforce whatever it says in the original agreement. Unless something in the agreement states that its voided if a certain event occurs...and that said even does occur. Of course I am no lawyer.
I wonder why the questiion than if there are no issues? Why would CP even state that they think its voided?
Why do we even need a court paper to do right by our kids?
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I think the custody agreement is null and void, and the NCP should go get their child, and say thanks to the new NCP as they are leaving...
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cpnebraska
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Lol. I will tell them that. See how Cp changes their tune. Of course they will probably just say..the visitation part not the custody.
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If no MODIFIED arrangement due to the move has been documented then the ORIGINAL arrangement (whatever is in the court order) is what is in place.
So if he gets 2 summer weeks? He gets them. Now, because HE moved, he'd be responsible for making that happen presumably.
I would question how much of the existing visitation portion of the agreement is being maintained now? So in other words if he had EOWE and one weeknight overnight is he still doing that? What's the deal? Is he doing some other schedule? Is it documented?
I could see him running into issues if he has NOT been exercising his time, post HIS move, and now expects he's going to take summer vacation b/c he wants to have THAT part. She might risk going to court and saying "hey he doesn't see them/hasn't seen them, NOW he wants these 2 weeks? think not" and seeing what happens.
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If nothing exists that states custody is null and void if a party moves, then the original CO is still in effect.
What changed with these two?
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My guess would be that she is pissed, because now she doesn't have EOW free anymore? One of those Oh crap moments...yes I said he could move...but i wasn't thinking about all the times he takes the kid moments....Now could be wrong, she lives with parents...but just how much do her parents want to babysit?
So that free weekend of hey let's go have a drink, chase other men, or shack up with the boyfriend on her free weekend is now gone.
She has lost instant babysitter... so now I will screw with him moments.
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cpnebraska
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I purposely did not state the sex of each party.
NCP is the mom
Cp is the dad.
She has seen DS every time she has come back to visit, which has been quite a few.
Of course she can't do the weekly visits. She was offered this job, which you can not match here, and took it after discussing it with him.
When in town she takes DS 99% of the time she is here.
I can only state what I know and or see.
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CP stated that since NCP moved out of state their custody agreement was null and void.
IS this true?
---> No...a Court Order is a Court Order until it has been changed by the Court. If the current CO allows for extended Summer Parenting Time, then the CP has to honor that or be held in Contempt. If it doesn't...then the NCP needs to request a modification.
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cpnebraska
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It does.
And I forgot to mention the YES NCP would pay for the visits.
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But, she's not following the CO?
She's established a new status quo.. which is??? How often are the visits? Etc etc.
I'd still say she'd get the time; however, she'd have to pay for it/arrange for it all. However, it gets tricky when NCP only wants to follow the parts that are CONVENIENT for them.
Speaking from experience, my ex had ZERO chance in hell of getting what he wanted when I did my move. Why? Because he didn't follow the EXISTING order.
And when you DON'T follow it? The CP has a TREMENDOUS chance of going back to court and saying "hey, he/she doesn't take x, y and z" and having the court go "yup, you're right, they don't.. buh bye".
Just sayin'.. in her shoes? I'd start taking every possible minute, in accordance with the CO, from now until summer vacation. Or beat him to the "going to court" punch and get it modified so it's clearly spelled out.
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cpnebraska
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There is no way to fly a kid from the midwest to the east coast twice a week...not for anyone.
NCP discussed the move with CP and it was OK.
I know that doesn't always mean squat in courts. They did the right thing though. Prior to her move? Every second was of visitation was taken.
NCP was planning a visit to see Cp (see how good of friends they are??) NCP stated they wanted DS to come and they would pay. CP stated it was his vacation. BAER CP is not concerned with NCP seeing DS more.
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Gecko
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And I forgot to mention the YES NCP would pay for the visits.
---> It's PARENTING TIME, NOT 'visitation'.
---> Since the NCP moved, then yes...they should be held financially responsible for transportation costs in excess of the original mileage. When the NCP has the Court Order modified, it should also include language to the effect that the CP is responsible to make sure the child gets to the airport/train station/bus station in a timely matter and that if they fail to do so, then they are financially liable for all costs associated in getting the child to the other parent.
---> If your friend is the CP, let them know that it will be cheaper for them to reach an agreement with the other parent regarding long distance parenting time, than to be a jerk and fight it.
---> A typical long distance parenting schedule includes Spring Break, 6 weeks Summer Break and alternating half of the Winter Break. Depending on the exact distances, extended school breaks (aka 3-day holidays) can be added it.
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LexieBelle
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what did they document for post-move visitation?
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If the CP was this big of an a-hole I would document their "opinion" I shouldn't get to see my kid and then file to modify the agreement to get no less than half the summer and any other extended parenting time I could get etched in there. If the CP is willing to be this big of jerkwad over 2 weeks now its gonna be a long 13 years without a strongly worded custody agreement.
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LexieBelle
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When you are THAT far long distance? You're VISITING.
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"When you are THAT far long distance? You're VISITING."
Completely disagree.
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Gecko
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Thanks for that as there are many parents, who because of the job or service to their country, are not able to physically parent on a continuing basis...it does NOT mean that they are only 'visitors' in their children's lives. Some people are just ignorant.
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You're welcome :o)
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LexieBelle
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Not ignorant, realistic. And YOU of all people know that.
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In the COs where X had visitation, it had a part for parents that live less than 100 miles apart and parents that live more than 100 miles apart. His summer time increased, while he only get one weekend a month. It may have something like this but CP is only looking at the part that says less than 100 miles apart or some such thing. Have him/her look at thier papers, maybe this is the case.
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