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[censored]://[censored].foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/06/federal-government-expands-rape-definition-to-include-men/
Expanding the definition of "rape" to include men will give a true representation of the numbers of victims, and thus allow a better allocation of resources.
One down side to the re-definition is that they will include "victims" who were supposedly unable to consent due to drug or alcohol use. Now, NON CONSENTUAL drug use I agree with, but if a person gets drunk and has sex, and later on regrets it, that is NOT rape, thats a bad Friday night.
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agreed...
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I believe the reference to drug and alcohol use relates to sex with a person who is passed out and incapacitated to the degree that they cannot consent. I have had cases charged with such facts. For example, a number of people attend a house party. Many pass out around the house on couches and floors. One party goer has sex with an incapacitated female who is passed out.
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I just wish there was a way to ALLOW that kind of charge (which I agree with completely), but weed out the, "Well, I was drunk, so even though I SAID yes, I was really drunk, and didn't MEAN to say yes."
FTR, I agree that having sex with a passed out individual is wrong. However, should I end up passed out, any woman is free with have PROTECTED sex with me, as long as you take pictures with my phone so I can see them later.
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I have never seen a case charged in that context and think it would be highly unlikely to be charged and less likely to be winnable at trial.
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Sorry, I find it hard to believe you have never seen such a case, as such cases LED to some universities requiring students to sign PAPERWORK agreeing to have sex.
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Uh, okay. If you say so.
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One down side to the re-definition is that they will include "victims" who were supposedly unable to consent due to drug or alcohol use. Now, NON CONSENTUAL drug use I agree with, but if a person gets drunk and has sex, and later on regrets it, that is NOT rape, thats a bad Friday night.
---> I guess it depends on how 'drunk' they are. Maybe parents should educated their children it doesn't count as 'consent' if the person can't stand up and/or walk 50 feet without falling down.
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The problem is WHO makes the "too drunk" call? And if a woman can't consent because she is too drunk, does the male get a pass as well for being to drunk to KNOW she didn't consent?
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The problem is WHO makes the "too drunk" call? And if a woman can't consent because she is too drunk, does the male get a pass as well for being to drunk to KNOW she didn't consent?
---> That's a problem isn't it? And I agree that the 'alcohol impairment' door should swing both ways, but how exactly is it going to work in a way that is fair and equitable?
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gr8Dad
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It's easy. If you VOLUNTARILY impair your judgement, you are RESPONSIBLE for your choice.
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I agree with gr8 - on both counts.
John Stossel (back when he was with ABC and I was in college think 97-00) did a big report on this topic (men being prosecuted under those circumstances) and was vilified by the feminist crowd for his stance at my school - basically what gr8 said above. I feel bad for people that have things happen to them when they drink too much, but the thing is nobody is responsible more than you when you do that to yourself. And no, that's not the same as saying "she shouldn't have dressed that way etc." as the manhaters wanted me to believe. Glad I got out before I drank THAT punch.
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