ssmom79
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Forcing kids to sign 'pledge cards' for Jesus...it's outrageous. It's also outrageous to claim that if all religion isn't eradicated from school...''THIS'' will happen.
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LexieBelle
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Just because one doesn't believe in "God" doesn't mean they don't believe in ANYTHING. I believe everything is part of a cycle and everything goes through the cycle and returns back INTO the cycle.. so to speak. I believe in "old souls"... people who have passed this way before.. in other bodies/forms. We come from nature, we go back into nature and are re-born through nature. That's my belief. I don't believe in NOTHING, I believe in something different.
As a Christian, you get comfort in going to heaven, meeting Christ, whatever.
I get comfort in knowing I'll go back through this earth again.
I don't believe in anyone pushing their religious beliefs, for OR against, in schools. Teaching what a belief IS and what it ENTAILS is part of history and is educational and kids NEED that. They don't need to be.. recruited.. I guess I would say the word is. Nor do I think they should be.. punished.. for what their beliefs are, or are not.
If people want their kids to go to schools where religion is PROMOTED? Then send your kids to religious school then. There are plenty of them out there, pony up your own money and send your kids to that kind of school. PROMOTION of religion doesn't belong in PUBLIC school. Period.
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gr8Dad
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"---> Uh huh...and marijuana leads to mainlining heroin."
Actually, ILLEGAL marijuana DOES lead to harder drugs, in the SAME way ANY religion in public schools leads to things like this. When getting ANY "illegal" product, you have to deal with people who deal in illegal products. The profit margin on pot is VERY VERY low, thus if they can get you hooked on something like coke or meth, they will turn a bigger profit. Religion is a BUSINESS. And simply making your "product" available to the masses is not enough for MANY religions (And Christianity is one of them). They need to see a "return", ie, asses in the pews. That comes with membership drives and "pledge cards". Thus, allowing ANY religion into schools causes this.
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gr8Dad
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"My daughter is taking World Religion as an IB elective in high school. She really enjoys the class and has learned a lot that she didn't know."
I have no problem with a FACTUAL class on religions of the world. I think it is interesting, and have taken such classes myself. The problem is that MANY of these "classes" can be summed up with, "Here is why all other religions besides Christianity are wrong, and this is why Christianty makes sense, even when it doesn't make sense..."
The few classes I started and COMPLETED in that regard (I will walk out when it turns into a Christian CHEERING class), taught the TRUTH. The problem with teaching TRUTHFULLY about religions is that you teach the POSITIVES and NEGATIVES (as you do with ANY historical subject), and in a Christian dominated society, teaching about the NEGATIVES of Christianity is usually met with a refusal of acceptance. Of course, you would run into the same thing trying to teach the negatives of Islam in Iraq.
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MrsB
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[quote]I do not understand why someone who does not believe in God has any desire to get someone else to look at life that way? How is not believing in something worthy of persuasion? I think there's an annoyance when public figures profess their beliefs (Tim Tebow comes to mind). I think the envy comes from the fact these people are always happy...not much for her politics - but even Palin is always happy. It is kind of the way people can get jealous over another's success. I think it's kind of sad. To be fair, I do not like the way some Christians heep their beliefs on others either either...but getting someone to convert to a belief in "0" is strange and kind of sad. [/quote]
In my experience, those who try to persuade others of anything, in a hateful manner, just are people who think they have all the answers, and know the answers - whether they are Christian, Athiest, whatever. Also, I think a lot of them (the Athiests who do this) are those who have had negative experience with Christians...so instead of only choosing not to believe in God, maybe they also choose to dislike the entire religion and all of those in it, because of those negative experiences. Can't say I necessarily blame them - however, even I, as a Christian, have had negative experience with other "Christians" (on this board for example) - not all who call themselves Christian are a good example of Christ - and instead of disliking everyone, I do believe most are not that way, and certainly not all. I always hate to hear of someone turning away from God because of how some Christians choose to act.
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gr8Dad
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I don't care WHAT a person thinks in their mind or how they live in their personal homes or churches. What bugs me are the MOSTLY CHRISTIANS in this country who don't want the government coming into THEIR homes, but have no problem voting and supporting the government going into someone ELSE'S home and forcing THEM to live under Christian beliefs. This is evident in the gay marriage debate, blue laws, alcohol and drug use, etc.
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annieo
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"We come from nature, we go back into nature and are re-born through nature. That's my belief. I don't believe in NOTHING, I believe in something different."
When people are buried in a casket there is little going back to nature and when cremated most choose to keep the ashes in an urn thereby not going back to nature.
An "old soul" cannot physically go back into nature so how can the "old soul" come back through nature?
I may be misinterpreting and I am not trying to be rude or anything I am just curious how it works? I am kind of black and white so that may be my misinterpretation/misunderstanding?
I had not ever heard anything like this before and find it an interesting thought/belief =)
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gr8Dad
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"When people are buried in a casket there is little going back to nature"
You are thinking SHORT term, couple of hundred years, she is talking LONG term, like a couple a THOUSAND years, after which that box will be nothing but REALLY rich soil.
"and when cremated most choose to keep the ashes in an urn thereby not going back to nature."
You forget about the MAJORITY of the "organic matter" that is changed in state to smoke and vapor, and escapes through the chimney.
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annieo
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Coming from a family of funeral directors I was going from the way caskets are built now and that crematories have severe restrictions (some fume does get out)
Also there are what are called vaults that caskets go in not just a liner in the ground - actual vault that are sealed on top of the casket being sealed.
It is however as you have stated the short term in the grand scheme of things.
I was simply curious how it all worked for LB.
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gr8Dad
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That is why my "final" arrangements are ste in stone. I am to be cremated, and my kids are to fly the ashes to the New Jersey shore and go out on a fishing trip. While out there, throw the ashes in the ocean.
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