gr8Dad
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"I mostly grew up in Utah. No way, no how, do sane people take almost 2 year olds out in freezing weather to go camping in THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT."
Well, I truly hope no one ever takes away YOUR children because you do something SOMEONE ELSE finds weird.
"You are grasping at straws to DEFEND A MURDERER simply because he is a father."
Nope, never defended his actions in regards to kill himself and the children. I think he was driven crazy by the constant attacks on him about the disappearence of his wife (BTW, there is ABSOLUTELY no proof she is dead), and sunk into a deep depression over losing his kids for something he had NOTHING to do with.
"FYI, I knew the minute that I read the first post just how you were going to spend post after post attempting to justify this father's actions. Simply because he is a father. There is no justification. At all."
Of course there is no justification for a father. In your eyes, there never is...
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ssmom79
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Merely pointed out that sometimes when you treat people like criminals when they have done nothing wrong, they lose all hope and things go bad...real bad.
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You are actually defending this man....you've said several times how he was driven to this by the media, total BS, he was not driven to that. NO WAY WOULD I EVER BELIEVE THAT. And when YOU learn he used a HATCHET on his children, his own flesh and blood, and you still deflect attention back to the murder of his wife??? Seriously gr8, I must know how do you feel about a parent murdering and committing suicide in the manner that this man did with his children. Cause right now, I'm getting the feeling you think this man was some victim driven to desperation. Is that really how you are seeing this man's actions against his children? Please let me know what you think about this act?
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gr8Dad
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"You are actually defending this man....you've said several times how he was driven to this by the media, total BS, he was not driven to that. NO WAY WOULD I EVER BELIEVE THAT."
Oh, so NO ONE could EVER be driven to act in an insane manner? Chopping at your kids and blowing up your home with them inside is the act of a SANE person? Come ON!
"Cause right now, I'm getting the feeling you think this man was some victim driven to desperation. Is that really how you are seeing this man's actions against his children? Please let me know what you think about this act?"
No, I think he did a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE thing. But I also think the media and the family court share in the blame for creating a situation where an individual was stripped of EVERYTHING that they lived for, their life turned upside down and DESTROYED, with ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence.
When you remove the very reason a person lives for, you make that person a VERY VERY dangerous person. And there was NO end in sight. They set GOALS for him to reach for, then moved the goals when he reached them. He was punished because his FATHER was a pervert, he was CONVICTED in the news for the missing wife, and there was no end in site.
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LexieBelle
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You're so full of shyt.
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gr8Dad
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SO make a case for the removal of the children. What did HE do that warranted taking his kids? He moved to his Dad's house, when his Dad was arrested, he refused bail and cut off contact, then eventually moved out.
Okay, forget TAKING the kids, make a case for KEEPING the kids. He followed the rules, did the work, etc. Oops, court changed their mind, now you got to do more, all the while, we are going to leave your kids with the people who are feeding them that YOU killed your wife.
Oh, and FTR, you keep harping on the "fact" that you "know" he killed her...there isn't even proof that she is DEAD, much less that he killed her.
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annieo
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The children were taken to investigate the grandfather which is the norm when there are questions about the home environment.
The imo children should have been returned if/when no other issues were discovered there HAD to be other circumstances the general public know little to nothing about. As I said before the courts add things all.the.time. when they feel it is necessary to protect the children.
He WAS working toward reunification the children were going there TWICE a week, which is A LOT and shows he is being reunited sooner then later.
The court decided to add the evaluation and those evaluations can take some time to obtain but again they would not have ordered it WITHOUT additional issues arising and we are not privy to that information as the case includes minors and CPS is NOT allowed to share that information - the one who could have shared the information is DEAD so I guess we will never know.
I agree you are defending him and an insane person persecuted in the media may do some things in the heat of the moment but this guy PLANNED this for some time.
eta: I do not think the children should have been placed in the grandparents home - to much of a conflict and I understand the reasoning but it was wrong because I do believe the grandparents talked to the children and were fed or asked questions in a manner they should not have been
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ssmom79
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Oh, so NO ONE could EVER be driven to act in an insane manner? Chopping at your kids and blowing up your home with them inside is the act of a SANE person? Come ON!
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Let's focus here gr8....let's not start adding absolutes and changing the parameters of the argument to include ANY PERSON...let's stick to this man.
I believe this man, who is the man we are discussing, I am not discussing other people, other situations, I am discussing THIS person who I do not believe in any way, shape, or form, was driven to commit this act. Nope, sorry I am not buying it.
But I also think the media and the family court share in the blame for creating a situation where an individual was stripped of EVERYTHING that they lived for, their life turned upside down and DESTROYED, with ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence.
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Nope, I completely disagree with you there. But thank you for acknowledging this man did a horrible thing...even though you continue to blame other people for the acts he committed himself. Wow, can we blame the media for everything??? Seems to be a common blame. Oh, it was the media! Makes you wonder how people in the media ever make it without killing their kids all the time...
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ssmom79
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I would not kill my children. I have heard of mothers and fathers doing it and I'm sorry, there is NO JUSTIFIABLE reason for it. PERIOD. Sorry, not taking a hatchet to my kids. Just ain't happening. I'd kill myself 100 times before I ever did that to my children. Yates, Smith, Powell....all the same in my book. Murderers who deserve the same treatment as their children, death.
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LexieBelle
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He is the ONLY suspect in the childrens' mother's MURDER. She's not alive. After a certain period, and given fact (like she left her cell AND her purse behind, and oh yeah, her KIDS), there is a presumption that the person IS DEAD.
And, APPARENTLY, the legal system WAS planning on some action relative to that, shortly which is something that the family court may have been aware of. I would assume they were.
And what I don't get about you? Is you have her family saying they KNEW this would happen. Obviously there were SIGNS this would happen. And I absolutely, 10000000% believe that they DID know, they WERE right and no nothing "pushed" him into doing jackshyt. He is an EVIL PERSON. He killed his wife and he has brutally killed his children too.
There's no justification, there's no excusing it, there's no "oh poor baby he was persecuted and they DROVE him to it". That's BULLSHYT.
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Cassie23
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Found this read interesting since there was talk that the grandparents put things in the children's head.
An attorney for the parents of missing Utah mother, Susan Cox Powell, said the woman’s children whose bodies were discovered Sunday in a fatal home explosion recently started talking about the night their mother vanished.
The attorney, Steve Downing, said the oldest boy recalled his mother being in the trunk.
“Charlie had been asked along with other members of [his] class to draw a picture of something they did in summer,” Downing said. “At some point he drew a picture of the family van. The dad was driving the van, he and his brother were in the backseat and mom was in the trunk.”
Susan Powell's sister Denise Cox told HLN’s Nancy Grace that the boys were increasingly able to verbalize what they remembered.
"Actually, the boys at first when my parents received custody of them they didn't talk that much," Denise Cox said, "but over the last few months they started opening up and talking to my parents about what happened that night and my parents would relay it back to me."
Cox said Josh Powell did not permit the boys to talk about their mother or to mention her name.
The bodies of the two children, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, were found in their father Josh Powell's Pallyup, Wa. Home, after he allegedly ignited the explosive blast during a court-ordered visitation.
Police say Josh Powell, who had been named a person of interest in the disappearance and suspected murder of his wife Susan Cox Powell, was also killed in the blast along with the boys.
Firefighters who responded to the scene found the Powell home engulfed in flames and nearly charred to its frame. The bodies were discovered in the living room. The blast shook nearby homes, rattled windows and spewed debris onto lawns located blocks away.
A social worker who brought the Powell boys to Josh Powell's home Sunday reportedly told police that Powell let the boys inside, then blocked her from entering and locked the door. The social worker reportedly pounded on the door and immediately contacted supervisors to report the incident. She reportedly told supervisors she noticed the smell of gas outside the home.
The home exploded moments later. The social worker was not injured.
According to police, Josh Powell sent e-mails to multiple people confirming that he planned the deadly blast. Jeffrey Bassett, the attorney who had been handling Powell's child custody case says he too received an e-mail from his client minutes before the explosion saying "I'm sorry, goodbye."
Police say the blast was fueled using accelerants spread throughout the home.
Josh Powell allegedly told police he took his two boys, then ages 2 and 4, on a Sunday night camping trip. Powell told police he returned home that Monday evening in December 2009 to find his wife missing.
Powell was never charged in connection with his wife's disappearance, but lost custody of their children after his father Steve Powell was arrested on charges of child pornography and voyeurism. The boys had been living with their maternal grandparents.
Denise Cox speculates that Josh Powell drugged his sister before her death.
"I believe he drugged her so it didn't seem unnatural for the boys when he took her," she said.
"I believe he told them that they were going to go look for mines and I believe he buried her somewhere out wherever he went."
Cox said from what she gathers from her parents, the Powell boys had been talking about how their mother went into a mine to look for crystals and never came out.
Autopsies on the three bodies are scheduled Monday.
Police continue to investigate the disappearance of Susan Cox Powell.
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