gr8Dad
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Got a call today. Son is wearing an "inappropriate" shirt. I asked what is said. It has a Confederate flag and a pistol, and says, "I support gun control, I use both hands"
He got it for Christmas, has worn it to school 5 or six times since then, never a problem. For half of the day, no problem. Teacher sees him in the hallway and send him to the office. Vice Principal tells him to take it off. He refuses. They call me. I ask what policy of the school it violates. I am told it violates the policy of "no suggestive images". I say its not suggestive. The book says if there is any question, the Principal decides. Principal says no go.
Now, normally, I would cahlk it up to opinion, but this principal HATES my son. Not sure why, but she has done some of the most HATEFUL things to him. Double standards, harrassment, etc. She was removed from her last school for physical violence against a student (and it was a CATHOLIC school at that), and has a number of parents attempting to have her removed.
So I told him to change into one of the shirts that they had in the office and we will deal with it later. But it is EATING at me. I have taken about as much guff from this woman as I can stand, and a BIG part of me wants to stand up and say NO. I have given in on a LOT, and this is just ONE MORE TIME when she is abusing her power.
What do you think?
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LexieBelle
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Given the amount of violence in schools and particularly GUN issues in schools? Absolutely INAPPROPRIATE for a school setting and she's 100% right, in this instance.
As a parent, if I saw your child wearing that shirt? I'd raising ALL manner of hell over it to be honest. Really totally inappropriate.
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gr8Dad
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And if it was inappropriate from the START, I would be all for it. But he wore it 5 or 6 times before, no problem, and he wore it all morning, no problem. Why is it all of a sudden a problem?
And I think you also have to consider where, in the country, YOU live, and where I live.
ETA: by the way, we are at an 30 year LOW on violent crimes over all. There is absolutely no increase in crime in schools or otherwise, that is a media lie being fed to the people to scare them and justify further reducing freedoms.
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Edited by gr8Dad (02/15/12 02:00 PM)
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LexieBelle
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I understand your point.. But the reality is that the world isn't always consistent, or fair.. and it is an inappropriate garment.
Regardless of crime stats or whatever, guns have NO place in schools, period. Not in actual bringing a gun, nor in the glorification of them in t-shirts or whatever. Period. When you're EIGHTEEN, and a legal adult? Then you can wear what you like, where you like. Not in public schools, as a minor. You don't get that right. Period. And if you happen to get away with not offending someone for 5 times and have a problem the 6th? Oh well, you got lucky.
I certainly wouldn't punish him for wearing it, mind you, it's a life lesson in people/things aren't always consistent. Is the way it is. BUT, there are rules and if the rules get applied? Well, then you accept the penalty.
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gr8Dad
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That is the approach I will take when I speak to him tonight. I am a big freedom kind of guy. And example I will use is here on the military base, they tried to force the motorcycle rider to take the basic riders course. My arguement was that statistically, MOST motorcycle accidents are caused by four wheeled vehicles. And that since I am LEGALLY licensed to operate a motorcycle, if they want to force an EXTRA amount of training, it needs to be on EVERYONE. Make the vehicle drivers take defensive driving, or something similar.
Now, they said NO, you WILL take the course, or you won't ride on base. So I refused...and I couldn't ride on base. They changed it (and I am signed up to take the course. I just didn;t want to be FORCED to take it), not its not mandatory.
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LexieBelle
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I also consider myself to be pretty big into "freedoms". However, can't say I'm absolutely black and white that it's a freedom free-for-all though.. in that the reality is that gun (or people with guns, whatever it is, don't want to get into that debate please) CAN have an effect on other people. meaning, someone shoots you, you could be injured, crippled, or dead. If I happen to be a guy and I like playing rump ranger in my bedroom at night and hey I wanna marry my dude? THAT is none of anyone else's business. Obviously I'm pro-choice. I was gonna post to Gecko's valentine's article below.. personally? I think it's stupid they're being charged. Their car? Public property? You wanna role play donkey kong, not my business.. okay someone was concerned, called it in but to CHARGE them? That's stupid.
Anyway, I do believe in the right to bear arms too BUT and this is a big BUT.. you're talking a minor child who hasn't EARNED that right just yet. And, unfortunately, guns in schools.. is a problem.
It would have been nice had the faculty been consistent on it..like noticed it day one and said "no way jose". Unfortunately, that's not the case.
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Debi
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My daughter has a GreenDay shirt with a gun on it (There is a rose coming out of the barrel), and she had also worn it to school several times (knowing she wasn't suppossed to) before someone either noticed or cared enough to tell her she couldn't. She was made to turn it inside out and told not to wear it again.
It may be true that the principal hates him but I don't think she acted out of line. Your son wore an inappropriate shirt, I'm sure he KNEW it was inapropriate since it had a picture of a gun on it (just as my daughter knew) and being a teenager having gotten away with it before he didn't see an issue. This time it was an issue. This is certainly not a hill I'd be willing to die on.
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Terri1
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Where I live the shirt would not be able to be worn with the confederate flag or the image of the gun. Both would have pushed school staff over the edge. Even students would have been calling their parents to report it within a half hour of the start of school and it would have been a huge deal. My guess is that no one noticed it at first or may not have been too concerned until someone complained.
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gr8Dad
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"Where I live the shirt would not be able to be worn with the confederate flag or the image of the gun."
Kinda tough to ban the Confederate flag here, its on our state flag, LOL.
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Tweeby
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I wouldn't get too upset abot it, it is inappropriate to wear to school. Your son just wasn't noticed wearing it before and once someone finds it offensive than it can't be worn again.
YS used to wear a shirt to school which SHOULD of been inappropriate but the teachers who understood what it meant just laughed and the ones who didn't understand just let it go. It was Stewie and Brian (From "Family Guy") in a canoe and it stated, 'Paddle faster...I hear banjo's'. He knew if someone told him it was inapproprate than he was to turn it inside out and not wear it again. Doesn't matter if it was the 1st or the 100th time.
I personally like that shirt that you mentioned. Where did your son get it because I know a few people who would LOVE that t-shirt. LOL
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