LexieBelle
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Well said EM!!! I think u have it perfectly explained.
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Cassie23
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A BIG FAT DITTO!!!
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LexieBelle
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.. how friggen AWESOME is it that the investigators bought the burial plots next to the boys so that their "father" couldn't be buried next to them?? BIG THUMBS UP, WAYYYY UP!
And how stupid was his family to TRY and bury him next to the sons he killed????? Duhhhhh. Like anyone was gonna let that happen? He doesn't even deserve to be in the same cemetary, let alone NEXT to them.
I think it's unfortunate he's dead. Feeding him to a pack of rabid coyotes seems much more appropriate frankly.
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Cassie23
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I read that. It was local sheriff's office and Crime Stoppers who bought the plots. I couldn't agree more, I think they were trying to "block", almost like a restraining order, from him being buried within so many feet of the boys.
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elliesmom
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Having him in the same cemetery might be convenient. So you could stop to p!ss on his on your way to pay respects to them.
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gr8Dad
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"The kiddie p0rn was recently discovered on Josh Powells computer taken from his home (that he shared with his wife in Utah). It was an animation depicting incestuous sex between an adult and a child. That is the full info on that. A few days before the most recent CPS hearing the court in Utah agreed to allow Washington to view the evidence. It was after viewing that material the judge (who was most likely going to return the kids prior to this evidence) decided to order a psychosexual evaluation."
I would be more than willing to view what YOU Think states that it was just found. EVERYTHING I have seen said it was found 2 years ago when they seized his computer after his wife's disappearence.
"I am sure he was scared shytless his little private predilection was about to be very public."
As long as he never ACTED on it, he was WELL within the law. Assuming he DID have the desires is a stretch, but the DESIRES are not illegal, and honestly, if you DO have those desires, and fight them successfully, as he appeared to do since there is NO evidence he acted on them, and fight them, I can respect that.
"It is also unfair to say Utah has no evidence against him. All they have said is that they don't have enough."
No, as in this country, we are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty, it is COMPLETELY fair to say that in the ABSENCE of evidence, there is no evidence. When they decide to RELEASE some evidence, I would reconsider my stance after seeing it, but I am NOT going to change my stance because they MIGHT have some evidence.
"Given that it took a court order to release the kiddie p0rn they found 2 years ago - I'd say they are playing it pretty close to the vest."
Well, FIRST, it wasn't kiddie p0rn, it was animated, we know this as he was not ARRESTED for kiddie p0rn. Second, having an incest related video is NOT an indication that he was a bad parent or a murderer.
"They probably think that her body will turn up eventually and the last thing anyone wants is her body to turn up with conclusive evidence and he was already acquitted."
And UNTIL that occurs, he is INNOCENT, and deserves to be TREATED as though is is innocent of those crimes. That was FAR from occuring. He was being penalized using a system with NO evidence, and a refusal to take it to trial so he COULD prove himself innocent.
They took his children with NO evidence that he was a bad parent.
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gr8Dad
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"And how stupid was his family to TRY and bury him next to the sons he killed????? Duhhhhh. Like anyone was gonna let that happen? He doesn't even deserve to be in the same cemetary, let alone NEXT to them."
Well, he DIDN'T molest them when he was alive, are you afraid his ZOMBIE will do it?
Even someone sentenced to DIE for a crime is even with the house once the execution is completed.
"I think it's unfortunate he's dead. Feeding him to a pack of rabid coyotes seems much more appropriate frankly."
Honestly, I hope you NEVER sit on a jury, as you are FAR to prone to judge based on emotion than ACTUAL FACTS.
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elliesmom
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They took his children because he was living with a man who was arrested for child p0rn.
They kept his children while they investigated what if anything he knew about the child p0rn being edited/filmed in his home.
The courts determined there was no proof he knew and were preparing to return his children to him, when Utah dropped their bomb. While having animated child p0rn may not be criminal it is CERTAINLY grounds to question his safety as a parent particularly when the p0rn involves incest.
The state did what they were supposed to do. Tragically two children died anyway.
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gr8Dad
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"They took his children because he was living with a man who was arrested for child p0rn."
And there was NO evidence that he knew ANYTHING about it. But he moved OUT of the home to a rented place.
"They kept his children while they investigated what if anything he knew about the child p0rn being edited/filmed in his home."
And after four months of him following the rules and there being NO evidence that he knew anything about it, they decided to keep his kids from him even longer, with no concrete end in sight.
"The courts determined there was no proof he knew and were preparing to return his children to him, when Utah dropped their bomb. While having animated child p0rn may not be criminal it is CERTAINLY grounds to question his safety as a parent particularly when the p0rn involves incest."
Dropped a "bomb" that they were aware of for two YEARS. If this wasn't an issue TWO YEARS ago, it shouldn't have been an issue now. He VOLUNTEERED to take a polygraph test at the begiining of this mess with his kids, he was REFUSED. So he WAITS four months, returns to court to get his kids back, and all of a sudden, more testing AND a polygraph is needed before he gets them back. Sorry, that is a load of CRAP. It is stringing the system along and keeping him in a "punishment" phase, without the DUE PROCESS of a TRIAL, which would allow him to DEFEND himself from the accusations.
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LexieBelle
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And you're judging based on the fact he's a man, plain and simple.
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