gr8Dad
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I prefer Techno Thrillers, Clancy, Koontz, etc. Kyle Mills is a great writer (as a smoker, you MUST read "Smoke Screen").
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Cassie23
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The library already has books- all kinds of books, albeit within the guidelines of what is allowed. We are going in to physically inventory it and set up a more usable Christian section. NOT all books with be Christian based, but they do need to have a message as that is what the people INSIDE the jail are telling us. On our movie list is Wizard of Oz...I do not believe that is about God?
Problem is gr8dad, you are accusing me of doing the SAME thing you are doing. I miswrote...I fixed it. I was looking for some Christians' opinions because they are Christians and as Christians we believe the same. Just as if I need help as a parent- I am likely to ask another parent. If I have questions about guns, I would probably turn to a gun owner, etc. etc.
However it is quite hypocritical of YOU to assume that I am beating the Bible over the heads of these children and people like me force the others to atheism. That would be like me saying your statements would force nonbelievers to believe in Christ. I respect ALL religions. I am affiliated with a church outreach program this is how I choose to help.
You speak of how I come across, your approach completely failed because you sound no better than you suggest I am. We just so happen to be on different sides of faith.
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lol.. Yes, I know what you mean. I was serious, if that's the scenario it explains a TON about some things.. why she defends some things so vehemently, the sanctimonious attitude on some things. Totally makes sense now and confirms something I suspected. Thank you.
Oh, I did read Clancy. When I was consulting in Italy I brought like 6 books with me the first trip. Had them done in no time (nothing else to do there at night in bumfvck italy, lol.. streets roll up at 6pm). So I went to the bookstore in Lecco and they have like one rounder of books in English. I was paying $30 a freaking paperback and my options were Stephen King (read everything already) and people I'd never heard of, or Clancy. So I ended up reading all the Jack Ryan books available at that time while I was there. Loved them!! Never got into Op Center or his other stuff though. I'm a Grisham fan. David Baldacci, big fan.
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Cassie23
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Swiss Family Robinson is on our list too.
I actually can see gr8's point in regards to "Fireproof" I was MAD at the wife in the movie! She was selfish and seemed to blame her H for everything and here he was fighting to save people every day. Yet that IS realistic. It is like many relationships where someone is often selfish and ma be flirting with someone else while married. I do see that some may feel she acted with no consequences, but her H loved her anyway.
Regardless I have 2 teens who actually really liked the movie. To each their own. I also know many who liked the Left Behind series and others who did not.
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annieo
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ETA: this was a Quick Reply
I think what Cassie is doing is a good thing and I do not see where she is trying to force it on ANYONE.
Yes there is a "captive" audience but it is not a requirement to take part.
AND I would like to know how she is going about it and how it goes as the Juvi here could certainly use something more then nothing which is what they have now. A loving message to those who do not have that is a good corner stone in their foundation because so many children in need do not have many of the building blocks for their foundation.
Atheists are loving and caring people (just doesn't include a God) and given she is including loving messages there is something for all.
I don't see Cassie as beating someone over the head with a bible I see her as trying to help and put something in the library that does not exist now.
Anyone that gives their time to help others is a good thing, especially if they are trying to help children, which is what she is doing and I believe the ages are 12-21 which is not generally the age of coercion - it isn't like they are 6 years old. When I finally finish my schooling my plan is to help children in need and I would like to do something like Cassie is doing in the Juvi where I live. Different view points are always good and if an Atheist wanted to do the same that would be fine as long as it contains a loving message which is the criteria Cassie wants with her program.
Christians do not hold the patten on loving messages.
Maybe you should not read the thread just like your threads that you put a disclaimer on regarding stating the thread may offend Christians - you get upset when Christians comment on your threads after you have put your disclaimer up - Cassie did mention Christian in the title of the post - she was trying to get the information she wanted from the "source" (if you will) for the Christian content she is looking for - she is also looking for loving messages (she did not say it had to be GOD only loving messages) but you ignore that and jump on the Christian part.
There are Christians that do push their beliefs on others just like you push you lack of belief on others - you are no different than those pushy Christians.
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gr8Dad
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Did you read the Prequel to the Ryan series, "Without Remorse"? AWESOME book, takes place in the late 60's, early 70's...and it explains the mysterious "Mr. John Clark"...
I like Gresham, but mostly his NON law books, "A Painted House", "Playing for Pizza" etc.
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cutiepie
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The Wizard of OZ is based on Atheism. Other critics argue that it is based on JW.
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gr8Dad
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"She was selfish and seemed to blame her H for everything and here he was fighting to save people every day. Yet that IS realistic. It is like many relationships where someone is often selfish and ma be flirting with someone else while married."
The problem I had wasn't with the reality of the situation, it was the APPROACH. If you are married to a selfish person, working harder on the marriage and requiring them to do nothing is NOT the answer. Placing restrictions on what you will tolerate, and yes, floating the "Stop your selfish crap or I am OUT" balloon is the answer.
Personally, I don;t WANT my children involved with a person who places all of their problems and needs on their spouse, and does NOTHING to help fix the situation.
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gr8Dad
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I didn't want to point that out, but you are correct. The "Wizard" is merely a man acting like a god, and the "solutions" to each of the main characters individual problems are found in themselves, rather than in a "deity" that is all pomp and circumstance, but no real power.
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Cassie23
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Of course, I was completely respectful, did not deride anyone's beliefs, just suggested a different path to the ultimate goal...and I am painted as the bad guy.
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Your FIRST response to my posting was---
"BTW, make sure you beat the prisoners over the head with the bible, folks like that make great atheists when you folks are done with them."
REALLY? It is crazy hypocritical of you to suggest that we are beating the Bible into people and that they will make great atheists because of us.
Regardless, I have two children- one who accepted Christ most recently and one who has NOT because it does not feel right to her. She believes in God, but she is still researching and finding her own way. The woman she spoke to- all the kids in her Youth Group- have not made her feel bad about it. They told her she needs to take her time, that God is a gentleman and would not want her to rush into accepting him until she is absolutely ready.
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You stated you have worked with "at risk" kids. I decided to do this because I want these kids to know that I CARE about THEM. They are NOT just a number to me. I went through the hours and hours of training and I feel like I am doing right by having time with these boys. I am in a max security prison- most there for rape, violent assaults and drug activity- some are there for murder. I just want them to know there is LIFE outside the cell, that the dreams they have- many of them wanting to finish school and go on to college are ACHIEVABLE. After the service I asked them if they had any questions about the message or anything they wanted to know better about God or the Bible. One suggested we have a Bible study so he can understand the scriptures, the others said no...so we talked about life after jail. We are also setting up Life Skills classes to help them with parenting skills, etc. I am learning too. I am not perfect, lucky they haven't expected me to be.
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