gr8Dad
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And instead of pushing THAT agenda, that he COULD and SHOULD have called to police, and building the black youths trust in to police, they make it into a "hoodie" issue.
And WHY are they afraid of the police? Because the black leadership has continued to ALLOW and even SUPPORT that police are "bad" and black people are discriminated against.
Guess what, if I saw a group of black youths walking down my road, I would call the police as well, NOT because they are black, but because they do not belong in my primarily white neighborhood, and their OWN music and dress indicates that they are dangerous.
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NikkiL
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Thats one question, but a better one IMO is WHY did Zimmerman who was on his way to Target, and carrying a loaded gun, get out of his truck and follow someone in the dark? He was the aggressor. Had he done, what most of us would have done, call the police and let them do their job...Trayvon would be alive.
You dont follow someone around in the dark with a loaded gun unless you are a trained police officer doing your job. I wonder if he would have followed him had he NOT had a loaded gun? He made that decision. He acted as the aggressor first. I dont know what happened during the confrontation. I know what I have heard, I know what the eyewitnesses have said. I guess we will have to wait until the medical examiners report comes out.
But IMO George Zimmerman handled this ass backwards, he was trying to be the hero and catch who was breaking into garages. He took it upon himself to follow someone he had NO RIGHT following around who he was TOLD NOT TO FOLLOW. Did he really have to be told? And it ended with a dead innocent teenager.
The kid wasnt breaking into garages. He wasnt doing anything illegal and he had every right to stand his ground as well. To bad he brought skittles to a gun fight. Im guessing if it were reversed and the black kid shot zimmerman, he would have at the very least been arrested.
So I guess you can follow people around in the dark and when they confront you, you can shoot them dead. He may not have intended to kill Treyvon, but he did. He made a bad decision that lead to innocent persons death. There should be some sort of punishment for that. Lots of people heard the screams, did any of them run out there and try to play cop? NO they called the police and let them handle it. Because getting involved was dangerous.
Zimmerman put himself in this situation and ended up killing an unarmed kid. Black, white, latino, dont care. He was the aggressor, he put himself in that situation with a loaded weapon...he should face charges and let the jury decide.
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gr8Dad
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"You dont follow someone around in the dark with a loaded gun unless you are a trained police officer doing your job."
That is untrue. As Americans, we have a right to bear arms, and he had a CCL. It was a GATED community, thus private property.
"He acted as the aggressor first. I don't know what happened during the confrontation."
These appear to be contradictory.
"He took it upon himself to follow someone he had NO RIGHT following around who he was TOLD NOT TO FOLLOW. Did he really have to be told? And it ended with a dead innocent teenager."
There is no law against following someone, and as far as "innocent", since we do not know what happened during the confrontation, we do not know if Trayvon was innocent.
"He wasnt doing anything illegal and he had every right to stand his ground as well."
Well, as the ONLY marks on Trayvon was the gunshot, and Zimmerman had wounds, is it POSSIBLE that the kid attacked him? The stand your ground rule does not allow you to ATTACK someone, it allows you to DEFEND yourself. Are you indicating that the kid had the right to PHYSICALLY defend himself from being FOLLOWED? Because IF you are saying that, then Zimmerman DEFINITELY had the right to physically defend himself against the physical attack.
"So I guess you can follow people around in the dark and when they confront you, you can shoot them dead."
You appear to be equating "confront" (which I define as , "Hey, why are you following me"), with a PHYSICAL attack on someone.
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we do not know if Trayvon was innocent
---> Sure we do...he was carrying Skittles.
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Arden
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And instead of pushing THAT agenda, that he COULD and SHOULD have called to police, and building the black youths trust in to police, they make it into a "hoodie" issue.
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I do agree with this.
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And WHY are they afraid of the police? Because the black leadership has continued to ALLOW and even SUPPORT that police are "bad" and black people are discriminated against.
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not sure if you are including parents as leadership. My experience only what I know first hand comes from what I have been told by parents raising black youths. Just a few examples I have heard of are;
Always keep your hand on the steering wheel at all times if stopped by the police.
Never reach quickly for any papers they may ask for.
Keep all movements slow and verbally tell the police what you are reaching for, even though they just asked for it.
Never mumble anything under your breath.
Never ever run in public.
Granted those are great for anyone to follow. But, I can honestly say that I raised 2 white males and I never felt I had to tell them things like that. So I can not presume to know how the parent of a black youth feels.
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Guess what, if I saw a group of black youths walking down my road, I would call the police as well, NOT because they are black, but because they do not belong in my primarily white neighborhood, and their OWN music and dress indicates that they are dangerous.
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I am a bit surprised by this. I am not sure what you mean by "their OWN music and dress indicates that they are dangerous, so I won't comment on that (that could change my answer entirely). The rest does surprise me though. That kind of thought process might be part of why they fear the police and are distrustful of them. You say your neighborhood is primarily white, not exclusively, so there could be a very valid reason for them being there. But, now they have to be stopped by the police and answer as to why they are doing something they have every right to do.
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gr8Dad
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"---> Sure we do...he was carrying Skittles."
So if I have a bag of skittles, and I punch you in the face, am I guilty?
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"Guess what, if I saw a group of black youths walking down my road, I would call the police as well, NOT because they are black, but because they do not belong in my primarily white neighborhood, and their OWN music and dress indicates that they are dangerous."
You say you would call the police, not because they are "black", but because they don't belong in your neighborhood. Would you call the police if you saw a Hawaiian in your neighborhood? Would you call the police if you saw a Jew in your neighborhood? Would you call the police if you saw a priest in your neighborhood?
You are sick in the head. It was not a "group of black youths" walking where they don't belong. It was one youth walking to his father's house were he does belong. I have yet to hear that he was playing dangerous music or dressed in a way that indicated he was a threat.
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"My big question is if Martin felt SO afraid, as his girlfriend stated to the press about her conversation with him (thus, he had a cell phone), why not call the POLICE?"
Sure he had a cell phone. When he told his girlfriend some guy was following him, she told him to run.
"His girlfriend said when she was talking to Trayvon as he was walking back home in the rain and he was telling her about this strange guy who was on a phone following him:
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”
Trayvon did eventually decide to run but he was eventually cornered.
“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”
After that the call was disconnected and it was just seconds later that Trayvon was killed."
I've read this from several sources, but there still needs to be more investigation.
And this from CNN: "At 6:54, Trayvon answered a call from his girlfriend; 7:09, Zimmerman calls 911. Now, mind you, this is 7:50 in the evening, it`s still probably dusky out, it`s not nighttime, it`s not 3:00 in the morning.
At 7:12, Trayvon`s girlfriend calls him back after their 6:54 call gets disconnected suddenly. Now, between 7:16 and 7:19, neighbors call 911. That`s the infamous call we`ve all heard.
And 7:17, police are there. At 7:30, Trayvon is dead."
I doubt he had a chance to call anyone once Zimmerman began to stalk him.
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My feelings, the guy had grass stains on his back, a gash across the back of his head, thus indicating he was hit from behind and laying on the ground on his back at some point BEFORE the shooting.
>>>>>>>> Sorry , no evidence except from the guy STILL alive that his story is anything but a STORY . He could just have easily have INITIATED the events by chasing or tackling Trayvon meaning he wasn't " standing his ground " .
So how many of you would stand around , call the police & wait for them to show up when some guy is following you through back yards ?
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