Redlegg
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The law is fine with me for the most part. It is not a free speech issue. There are already laws, free speech zones, protest areas, and all these thing exist in one way or another. The only problem I have is this:
‘‘(B) of a building or grounds where the President or
other person protected by the Secret Service is or will
be temporarily visiting; or
That creates a rolling zone, where someone has a permit to protest, legally, granted by any authority, and it is immediately overruled, because someone with SS prortection comes around. It could be used to stifle any opposition at a speech. It could also be used during a campaign to stifle protest at an imcumbent's speech, when a challenger is not protected by this law. Free speech does have it's limitations, but this law can insulate certain officials from seeing any dissent, and it may be seen as an obstacle to the right to petition the government.
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gr8Dad
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No, the scary part is right here:
"of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction
with an event designated as a special event of national
significance"
So, they can define ANYWHERE as somewhere under their control, and say YOU can't protest here. Think of this, you live across the street from a school. The French Premere is visiting the school (and is, naturally, protected by the Secret Service). You have a sign on YOUR lawn protesting something the French are doing. The Secret Service declares the area around the school as a no protest zone...you are now a FELON. Of course, you can FIGHT it, but the way this law is written, you have ZERO defense, because there is no mechanism in place to deter them from declaring it a "no protest" zone, they solely make the decision, and therefore you are guilty.
Of course, NOTHING like that would ever happen, right? Not until it does.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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Redlegg
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They already do that. Pick any national event, and it becomes restricted. There is no problem with that. Watch the party conventions, they always designate specific areas for protesting, so these things do not get interrupted, people get escorted out of government buildings. Yes, even private property comes under scrutiny during these times. To me the problem is the SS protection, and the fact that having protection puts this into effect. It is more of the unscheduled type thing, like the Secretary of State walking through an airport, suddenly there is no protest bubble that the Secret service gets to determine. Very vague, very mobile, and no advance warning.....There are definitely issues to me. If that did happen with a sign in the yard, then yes, definitely an issue, but it is not so much about free speech, because that is not absolute, as to whenever, or wherever you want to say what have to say.
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gr8Dad
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But there are mechanism's in place to make sure that the protestors are reasonably close to the event (because lets be honest, protesting outside of the view of the person or group being protested is stupid). This law will end that.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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gr8Dad
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Damn, what does it take to get good debate started around here again?
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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SweetLight
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"Damn, what does it take to get good debate started around here again? "
----->Well, since the select few have it all figured out, the rest decided it was best to sit back and watch. :-)
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SRS
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ahhh.....we are afraid to debate after the JL and her stalker friends fiasco.
Piss someone off by your comments here and they do some creepy stuff.
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LeAnne
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Not to mention being accused of something that you didn't do....plus dealing with Liars...what is the point?
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SRS
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I have you on ignore, Leanne, - and I don't peek. I will always believe you are Longroad or one of the others.
You were too strong in your defense of your little buddy plus it is amazing that you posted right after me today, isn't it?
I won't reply to you again, but I thought I would let you know why.
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LexieBelle
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Amazing isn't it? Not a peep out of the bytch since JL got outted as her own stalker BUT, magically? She appears to post because YOU posted? Unfreakingbelievable. Falsely accused? I highly doubt it. I'm with you, I totally believe Leanne is one of JL's "troll" crew.
Things were so nice and quiet.. until one of the troublemakers has to pop back up. Too bad. Even JL has the good sense to stay away, or at least shut up. Leanne obviously doesn't even come up to her intelligence level, which is pretty pathetic.
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