SRS
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Just curious - based on some posts lately and an ah ha kind of moment for me, it seems that a few regular posters here may be believers in the ATI or Vision Forum philosphy.
I don't have any opinion on those beliefs, but am just curious if you are.
....and how divorce or marrying a divorced person works with your philosphy.
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SRS
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I'll throw my philosphy out there....
I am Catholic. It took a lot of soul searching for me to file for Divorce. I don't like the idea of annulment because I do have children, so I don't see myself ever getting married again.
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spinnerdegrassi
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You don't have to get an annulment if you marry again. My wife is catholic and got married to me. You just don't get married in the church (then again, she wouldn't have been married in the church again anyways, since she was marrying a non catholic who wasn't going to convert to catholicism)
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Maury
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A legal annulment and a religious annulment are two completely different things. A legal annulment generally requires that some aspect of the fundamental nature of a marriage was absent such as, a non-licensed person marrying the couple or a marriage produced by fraud, coercion or duress.
A Catholic Annulment requires that you demonstrate tha tyou entered into marriage without the proper intent (married too young, did not understand what you were doing). It has no impact on the leal aspect of the marriage. It is purely a function of religion that allows you to remarry again in a Catholic service. My sister had her marriage annulled in the Catholic church. Family member submitted letters to the priest that pronounced the annulment indicating what we believed occurred to fracture the marriage.
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SRS
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From EWTN's website:
...the Holy See affirmed the continuous theology and discipline of the Catholic Church that those who are divorced and remarried without a Decree of Nullity for the first marriage (whether that marriage was made within or outside the Catholic Church) are in an objectively adulterous union that prevents them from honestly repenting, receiving absolution for their their sins, and receiving Holy Communion.
Basically, you have to get an annulment before being remarried if you want to take part in the sacraments of the church such as Holy Communion and Confession.
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spinnerdegrassi
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Lol...it hasn't stopped my wife from getting communion and going to confession.
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SRS
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According to Catholic.com: The Church sets out specific guidelines regarding how we should prepare ourselves to receive the Lord’s body and blood in Communion. To receive Communion worthily, you must be in a state of grace, have made a good confession since your last mortal sin, believe in transubstantiation, observe the Eucharistic fast, and, finally, not be under an ecclesiastical censure such as excommunication.
If your wife doesn't want to ask for an annulment, then why doesn't she find a church more in line with her beliefs?
I still wonder about the very religious on here that marry a divorced person or even get divorced - especially those that may be Vision Forum, ATI, ILPB, etc... Again, I don't have an opinion on this, I am just curious.
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spinnerdegrassi
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All her family still go to the same catholic church in leavenworth...too much of a hassle to switch.
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annieo
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In order for your wife to be able to participate in holy communion without an annulment you and she would need to be living as "brother and sister" absolutely no intimate relations. Given your professions here about your wonderful attractive wife I would venture a guess that you are not living as brother and sister.
She really needs to get an annulment to participate in holy communion or you can become Catholic and of course there is the brother/sister no intimate relations option....
I would love to participate in holy communion but we do not have an annulment of my husband's first marriage and we do not live as brother and sister. I was told that to participate in holy communion without the annulment or living as brother and sister is a sin, a really BIG sin (I know a sin is a sin but the diocese was crystal clear on me not participating in holy communion).
Now if my hubby would just become Catholic....
Actually we do plan to get an annulment of his first marriage, which we have been told will be granted because it was a marriage that should never have happened - baby at 17, married at 18, they only lived together for 8 months after the marriage because she could not stop cheating - even had a child with another man.
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elliesmom
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We are not Catholic. Most Christian denominations accept divorce in certain circumstances. I do not agree with the Catholic churches interpretation of Christ's words (that he meant you could only SEPARATE from your spouse under certain circumstances - remarriage was never allowed). BM had an affair and had a baby that was not DH's. There was no question as to the circumstances. Nor is their any doubt in his mind (or mine) that the Bible permitted him under those circumstances to divorce her. So I guess that is how that fits into our beliefs.
And I find it particularly troublesome that the Catholic church would concern itself with a marriage they never sanctioned in the first place. They (DH and BM) were not married in any church as they were not religious. They would (if they converted while married) have to solemnize their vows. But we would (if we wished to join the church) annul that union? Totally nonsensical. And I got this straight from a priest.
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Forgiveness is...letting go of the hope that the past can be changed.
Edited by elliesmom (05/08/12 02:27 PM)
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