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Interesting article from WIKI about the NLT Bible.
New Living Translation is meant to be easily accessible to readers of modern English. As part of this effort:
Weights and measures, money, dates and times etc. are described in modern terms, with footnotes giving the literal translation.
Some phrases are translated into contemporary English; e.g. "they beat their breasts" (Luke 23:48) is translated as "They went home in deep sorrow" with again footnotes providing more literal interpretations.
Gender-inclusive language is used where the editors believed that it was appropriate
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LexieBelle
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[quote]Nope, according to YOU, God wrote the bible THROUGH man. But as lb said, if any of the bible is suspect, which you just alluded to, then the whole thing is suspect. [/quote]
--------->> Thank you!
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Avaya
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[quote].... with footnotes giving the literal translation. [/quote]
That's the only part I personally would like.
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ssmom79
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Eh, my philosophy's rules are pretty clear.
Mark 10:11-12 "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and maries another, she commits adultery."
I didn't see anything after that says, EXCEPT in cases of A, B, C or X, Y, Z.
My hubby is an adulterer according to the Bible. Not sure how that fits his philosophy. Does that mean he is Hell-bound? Does that mean he will be forgiven is he repents? I mean it's in the Big Ten...how does that work? (rhetorical questions)
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gr8Dad
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" Fact is, many atrocities happened because of man's loose interpretation of the Bible or rules they made up themselves because they didn't like something...such as some people being burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for the crime of teaching their children to say the Lord’s Prayer in English rather than Latin (just an example). Show me where it says to do that in the Bible? It doesn't."
Actually, it DOES say that in the bible. It lists the offense of heresy as punishable by death. The church saw this as heresy and thus, punished them with death. The problem with YOUR thinking is that you like to pretend that the horrible parts of the bible are made up, and they aren't. Adultery is punishable by death, homosexuality is punishable by death. Interestingly enough, slavery is rewarded and okey dokey in the bible. Bottom line, the bible is a set of VERY harsh, arbitrary rules, made up by MEN. You can point out the HORRIBLE things done by men, but those things are BASED on things the original bible said were okay, such as the above mentioned things.
Let put it simply, if the bible said KILLING someone, for ANY reason other than self defense, was wrong, ALL of the attrocities you have mentioned would NEVER have occured. But because the bible okays horrific acts for none horrific things, men have decided that doing the same is okay by God.
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elliesmom
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See Matthew 19:9 (Christ himself giving the exception for adultery) and Matthew 5:32.
I have discussed this with priests, because the Catholic church does not allow divorce period, and was told that these scriptures allowed for you to LEAVE but not divorce your spouse. I wholeheartedly disagree since it clearly states "and marry another."
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Gecko
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Actually, it DOES say that in the bible.
---> Says what...exactly? I looked up 'heresy', which was a common term for that time, and found only one instance of it in Acts 24:14 (in context Acts 24:12-15).
The church saw this as heresy and thus, punished them with death.
---> Which is what M5M5 said, MAN interpreted.
Interestingly enough, slavery is rewarded and okey dokey in the bible.
---> Was it 'okey dokey'? Or is it MAN'S interpretation? As an example...in the original KJ version, the word 'slave' is only used twice, but in the NKJ version, the word pops up 65 times. So I grabbed the second instance of the word (since the first was about Joseph) and it says:
Genesis 43:18 - Now the men were afraid because they were brought into Joseph’s house; and they said, “It is because of the money, which was returned in our sacks the first time, that we are brought in, so that he may make a case against us and seize us, to take us as slaves with our donkeys.”
---> Here is the original translation:
And the men were afraid, because they were brought into Joseph's house; and they said, Because of the money that was returned in our sacks at the first time are we brought in; that he may seek occasion against us, and fall upon us, and take us for bondmen, and our asses.
---> Bondmen, NOT slaves...there is a difference.
---> Here is another one:
(KJV) Exodus 21:7 - “And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
(NKJV)And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
---> A 'maid/menservant' is NOT a 'slave'. And yes, I see the word 'sell', but it wasn't about selling people, it was about selling services. Bondsmen later became to be called 'indentured servants'. Today, we call them 'employees'.
---> And yet another example:
(NKJV)Leviticus 25:44 - And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves.
(KJV)Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
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LexieBelle
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Wow.. just wow.
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Avaya
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[quote]Actually, it DOES say that in the bible. It lists the offense of heresy as punishable by death. The church saw this as heresy and thus, punished them with death. [/quote]
Does the bible say that MAN should punish by death or does the bible say 'punishable by death' and possibly (probably) mean 'death' as in the death one suffers by losing their life AND their soul (meaning going to hell. We are ALL going to die, and those who are saved will escape hell while those who are 'dead in christ' will not escape it. 'Punishable by death' doesn't mean man is tasked with killing.
[quote] things done by men, but those things are BASED on things the original bible said were okay, such as the above mentioned things.[\quote]
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, does the bible SAY those things were okay OR does the bible DOCUMENT that they occurred?
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Gecko
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Wow.. just wow.
---> I agree...how you can confuse slavery with bondsmen (indentured servants) or apprentices.
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