gr8Dad
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So, over the Zimmerman/Martin event, the police chief, who OFFERED his resignation when this all happened, and had it REJECTED by the city council, is now being FIRED. But for WHAT? Apparently, according to the spokesperson for the city, he has caused a division amongst the "community". He has been accused of BOTCHING the investigation in the MArtin shooting. But DID he botch it? The appointed prosecutor used the evidence gathered by him and his officers to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. So if they "botched" the investigation, where did all the evidence come from?
Well, lets see where they botched it. They responded. They questioned him on the scene, they questioned witnesses, they took photos. They ARRESTED Zimmerman (yes, he was arrested on the scene), took him to the station and questioned him. The next tday, they RETURNED to the scene with Zimmerman and video taped a re-enactment of the situation. Of course, Martin's body was sent to the coroner for an autopsy (the results and report just became available a few weeks ago). ALL of the physical evidence backs up Zimmerman's story. An abrasion on Martin's hand, Zimmerman had a probable broken nose and lacerations to the back of his head (they took pictures of all of that). The only witness to the ACTUAL confrontation (after it started, of course) stated that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top, and Zimmerman was yelling for help.
So what did they botch? Oh yeah, they didn't ASSUME the "white" guy was GUILTY, and the poor BLACK teenager was completely innocent. They didn't immediately arrest the "white guy" (oh, wait, they DID, he was released at the station after looking at the evidence). They continued the investigation. They waited on the autopsy. They opted not to charge him at the time. That does NOT preclude them from charging him LATER (obviously).
But I guess if you are BLACK, and can get the Rev Jackson and Shapton to come to your town, the LAW doesn't matter anymore.
So, Prosecutor COREY makes up a charging document, referencing pictures of the scene, but CONVENIENTLY forgetting to mention the pictures that ALSO show physical damage to Zimmerman. Funny how THOSE pictures NEVER made it into the public until the DEFENSE released them. Now, if you were a prosecutor, and you saw a PLETHORA of news sources beginning to publish that maybe Zimmerman HAD no injuries, why not release a statement that YES, indeed, he DID have injuries from the assault? Oh yeah, because THEN the media crucifiction wouldn't have occured.
This case makes me SICK in regards to how the evidence is being IGNORED, unless it points to Zimmermans GUILT, then it is LIED about and exagerated to make it look worse.
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googledad
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Isn't time for you to go get that white robe fitted ?
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gr8Dad
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Of course, because when you cannot attack the EVIDENCE, attack the POSTER. EVERYTHING I said is based on DOCUMENTED FACT. Dispute it, or SHUT THE FVCK UP, because I am SURE that I am not the ONLY person on here who is about sick of your crap. You claim stuff is a LIE, but don't say WHY, as if your meager OPINION that it is a lie suffices to MAKE it one.
You wanna call me a racist, BACK IT UP, or SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
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googledad
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I forgot , you're the only one who can call people racists .
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gr8Dad
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When i do so, I use EVIDENCE or THINGS to BACK IT UP. So back it up, or SHUT UP.
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It is pretty hard to say what was or was not botched when you have no idea what forensic and investigatory methods should be used or what methods were actually used. Generally, having a decoder ring from your 5th grade cereal box does not qualify anyone as an expert.
As a result - I think I will review a little more information like this from those with such expertise.
miami.cbslocal.com/2012/04/03/trayvon-death-case-botched-says-former-miami-dade-top-cop/
huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-martin-cops-botched-investigation_n_1409277.html
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gr8Dad
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I read both of your links. The first one is a waste of time. It details NOTHING the police did wrong, merely that he thinks something was done wrong. He says:
"While sources within the department said at least one homicide investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter, the department sources said the state attorney (who has since removed himself from the case) decided there wasn’t enough evidence.
Parker has a problem with that.
“And of course, you don’t know if it was because he gave them all the details to his findings or whether he didn’t give him enough details in his finding,” he said.”So for one of the other reasons the state attorney obviously made a determination and a decision that you didn’t have enough, either because they didn’t have enough information at the time or the State Attorney wasn’t given enough information at the time.”
For Parker, the question is why.
“And, of course, if he wasn’t given enough it could be for one of two reasons. Either they didn’t probe the issue, explore the issue deep and detailed enough, or that they simply made a premature decision to call the state attorney’s office,” he said."
Of course, if we are basing the police departments failure to act on RACE, we also have to see that not only is the above quoted individual BLACK (if WHITE officers can be assumed, without evidence, to act in a racist manner, so can BLACK officers), but he has also appeared WITH the Martins in their multiple media events. He is biased, and AS an attorney, you KNOW that you would bring this up if you were cross examining him. It goes to credibility.
See, the state ATTORNEY made the call not to charge him.
The second link provides some interesting points, which I will address. One of the KEY things is the cell phone records. The records indicate that he was on the phone with his girlfriend until right before the altercation.
Okay, so they muffed checking the phone records. But what did they show? A further interview with the girlfriend actually backs ZIMMERMAN. She states that Martin had LOST Zimmerman (as he stated), and then walked up to Zimmerman and confronted him (she said he stated, "Why are you following me?", jibing with Zimmerman's account that Martin approached him).
But do we REALLY want to begin FIRING police who miss ONE piece of evidence that doesn't really prove anything excpet what the evidence they HAVE already proves?
Now, it has been stated that they COULD have arrested him and held him anyway, and let a COURT sort it out. But under the Florida statute for "Stand You Ground", that is SPECIFICALLY forbidden. It states, "A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
Zimmerman was NOT involved in an unlawful act, and was in a place he had EVERY right to be. ALL evidence points to him defending himself. So why not ARREST him anyway? Well, the statute goes on to define it further, "As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant"
Seems fairly clear.
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I don't know exactly what was (or wasn't) done properly in the investigation or transpired within the department after an outside investigation took place (and neither do you). But I will say that it appeared to me the police were quick to believe his story when the face value facts (unarmed man shot in a public area where the armed man did not live) should have warranted a great deal of scrutiny.
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gr8Dad
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Well, actually, it was inside the gated community where Zimmerman lived, and Zimmerman had VISIBLE injuries consistent with an assault.
Tell me, if you were walking down the street, and a mugger approached you and grabbed for your purse, and you pulled out your gun and SHOT the person, would you be willing to be INCARCERATED and forced to make BAIL and hire a defense attorney, all because you shot the guy who was robbing you? I mean you could PROVE it, your purse strap is broken, you have a bruise on your arm where he grabbed you, but they just want to be "careful" about not letting you go, right? Would you be okay with that?
Well that is EXACTLY what happened. Zimmerman was in a place he had a LEGAL right to be, he was assaulted (per him, and per the physical evidence, a broken nose and lacerations to the back of his head), and he defended himself.
I guess what bugs me about this is he was not "cleared" of any wrong doing, he was just RELEASED. The investigation was ongoing, he was EXTREMELY cooperative, including going AGAINST his attornies wishes and doing the video re-enactment and multiple police interviews. The AUTOPSY was not even back yet, and the "black community" was calling for his arrest.
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toomom
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""black community" was calling for his arrest."
According to YOU, he was ARRESTED that night. Was he re-arrested after the "black community" called for arrest?
I'm not part of the "black community" I hope in the future Zimmerman will just follow the police instructions, to just stay in his car.
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