gr8Dad
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[censored]://[censored].foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/regulation-requires-oil-refiners-use-millions-gallons-fuel-that-is-nonexistent/
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googledad
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It's from FauXnews , in other words , outright lies .
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elliesmom
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Well I had to read the article and it still makes no sense. Some facts are missing. I was early in my career an engineer for the EPA in the gulf coast region. I think the problem is most likely that the person who wrote the article has no idea what they are writing about.
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gr8Dad
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And this post is from Googledad...which means it will NEVER contain ANYTHING positive for the right, LMAO!
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gr8Dad
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Seems clear to me. EPA wants refiners to add chemical X, chemical X doesn't EXIST yet, so refiners are being fined for not adding it.
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elliesmom
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But see what you fuel you burn, and the make up of said fuel is not dictated by a general directive. That is in your operating permit. I don't understand how that got into their operating permit if the fuel is truly unavailable as that is a part of the analytic process. And usually new standards such as these only apply to new sources and I can't think of any new refineries being built in the last few years. It has been the talk lately that we HAVEN'T built any new refineries and it will be crunch time soon. There are various other issues I have - but that is my first thoughts when I read the article.
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gr8Dad
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Well, it appears the refiners know what they are being fined for, and the EPA is admitting they are fining them (of course, they are acting like they are doing them a favor by not fining them as MUCH as they COULD). Not really sure where your doubts are lying.
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[quote]And this post is from Googledad...which means it will NEVER contain ANYTHING positive for the right, LMAO! [/quote]
>>>>>>>>> Well I , unlike Fox , know the EPA is following FEDERAL LAW by enforcing the will of CONGRESS . That would be a law passed in 2007 that was signed by GW .
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Which means there is no change. The will of congress is irrelevant. This law could simply be chosen to not be enforced. The President can and may fix this with the swipe of his pen. It is that simple.
Under the Energy Independence and Security Act (EISA) of 2007, the RFS (renewable fuel standards) program was expanded in several key ways:
EISA expanded the RFS program to include diesel, in addition to gasoline;
EISA increased the volume of renewable fuel required to be blended into transportation fuel from 9 billion gallons in 2008 to 36 billion gallons by 2022;
EISA established new categories of renewable fuel, and set separate volume requirements for each one.
EISA required EPA to apply lifecycle greenhouse gas performance threshold standards to ensure that each category of renewable fuel emits fewer greenhouse gases than the petroleum fuel it replaces.
Under the Clean Air Act Section 211(o), as amended by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is required to set the annual standards under the Renewable Fuel Standard program (RFS) each November for the following year based on gasoline and diesel projections from the Energy Information Administration (EIA). EPA is also required to set the cellulosic biofuel standard each year based on the volume projected to be available during the following year, using EIA projections and assessments of production capability from industry. This regulatory action proposes these annual standards for cellulosic, biomass-based diesel, advanced biofuel, and total renewable fuels that apply to all gasoline and diesel produced or imported in year 2012.
It is a regulatory action permitted under the law. The law is not the problem, the application of the regulation is the issue.
If the problem was the law, there have been more than a few years to change it, and the EPA has known about it since day one. The EPA has not taken action to correct it, and congress has not either, and they have known about it just as long, since they voted on it.
It makes about as much sense as putting a requirement for a cure for cancer into the healthcare law....
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elliesmom
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That would be part of the information I considered missing. "general directive" actually sounds like EPA policy, which they do sometimes and is controversial. Or it could be congressional law, in which case they had nothing to do with it they are merely enforcing it. Honestly - usually when EPA makes up laws they are specific to a certain plant (like LAER/MACT issues) not sweeping and general - so they can avoid being sued by multiple corporations who can pool their resources to fight.
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