ssmom79
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But gr8 it's the DS way!
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Sorry , parroting George's story doesn't provide proof . George sez he was on the way to the store . SORRY , no evidence but George's word .
No one but George said Trayvon was pounding his head on the ground . ACTUALLY , a witness REFUTED that .
Trayvon's injury ( a scratch below his knuckle ) is INCONSISTANT with a life or death struggle .
Trayvon's girlfriend said Zimmerman spoke first .
George has quite the flair for the dramatic , such witty dialog .
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ssmom79
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2nd degree murder? No way. Self defense seems very plausible. Without the information to view myself to make an informed decision, I would go with manslaughter not 2nd degree murder.
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"Sorry , parroting George's story doesn't provide proof . George sez he was on the way to the store . SORRY , no evidence but George's word ."
Ahh, but it IS, because in this country, we are presumed innocent, and in the abscence of evidence to the contrary, a person is taken at their word.
HOWEVER, if you want to insist that he was on patrol, then he woud have had EVERY reason to follow the individual to see what they were up to as the watch rules are observe and report.
"No one but George said Trayvon was pounding his head on the ground . ACTUALLY , a witness REFUTED that ."
But there is those PESKY injuries to the back of his head. I would be interested in the witness you claim refuted the head slamming, do you have a link? As I have said before, I am open to ALL evidence.
"Trayvon's injury ( a scratch below his knuckle ) is INCONSISTANT with a life or death struggle ."
So would that mean that the LACK of injuries also prove Zimmerman did not attack or try to restrain him? And if there was no struggle, how did Zimmerman's blood get on Trayvon's sleeve?
"Trayvon's girlfriend said Zimmerman spoke first ."
Well, there is no trnascript for that, since it was not recorded, but in her interview with ABC, it stated this:
"Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend told ABC News late Monday night her final phone conversation with him before he was shot dead by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
The girl, whose parents requested not to make her name public, was questioned by the Martin family’s attorney Benjamin Crump and described that her boyfriend was cornered by Zimmerman.
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”
“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for.’ And the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”
Source: Raw Story ([censored]://s.tt/1dcqu)
Now, she SAID he was cornered by Zimmerman, but, of course, she has NO way of knowing this. The ONLY Thing she can testify to is what she HEARD< and CLEARLY it was Trayvon speaking first.
"George has quite the flair for the dramatic , such witty dialog ."
Again, not something that makes one a murderer.
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Not insulting, but this statement, "Self defense seems very plausible. Without the information to view myself to make an informed decision, I would go with manslaughter not 2nd degree murder" appears odd to me. If self defense is plausible, why would manslaughter charges be appropriate.
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ssmom79
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Well I think I mish-mashed my opinions there in haste.
I believe the possibility of the self defense angle. I don't know the facts and I don't know the law on what constitutes self defense so I'm really ignorant in that area I haven't really looked into the law in that regard.
I also believe that second degree murder was the wrong charge. Can the prosecution charge him with manslaughter and his defense come with it was self defense? I guess in my head that's where my thinking is going. Does that make any more sense?
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ssmom79
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Great dialogue gr8dad. I'm really enjoying the conversation and what I'm learning.
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gr8Dad
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Yes, and that was what many suspected will happen. Prior to the main hearing for this, there will most likely be a thing called a "Stand Your Ground" hearing, in which the defense will make its case that it was sef defense. The prosecutor, of course, will try to disprove this. If it is decided that he was in the right, he will walk, and Sanford, Florida will burn to the ground.
The big problem with the whole case is that the Florida version is SO widely written, the police really have no choice. It clearly states that an individual cannot even be arrested if there is reasonable belief that he or she acted in self defense. If Zimmerman wins this first hearing, the state is responsible for any and all legal fees and expenses associated with the arrest. And remember, the case, before the out cry, WAS being worked. The AUTOPSY was not even finished. Toxicology takes time. Suppose they arrested him and it turns out he had a heart attack right before he was shot. Now all George did was desecrate a corpse. They needed at LEAST the coroners report to charge him properly, instead the black community in the area and nationwide called for him to be ARRESTED, just in case. Sounds reasonable until you are the target. We would be talking about weeks or longer in jail, without even a cause of death from the crime you were supposed to have committed. Spending weeks in jail to be found innocent is not a system I would support.
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ssmom79
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Well I'm in FL and its already burning to the ground. And no doubt in light of this the law will be re-written or changed to close that very wide definition.
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[quote]Just for the record, let’s look at the COMPLETELY FALSE info you have stated so far, shall we?
-Martin was found face up after Zimmerman flipped him over
-Zimmerman had to identify himself to Martin BY LAW
-No broken nose or head lacerations
-Zimmerman was on a neighborhood watch patrol
-Zimmerman is a drunk
-Zimmerman was not on a direct street through the complex
-It was not raining that night
-Zimmerman never said that Martin reached for his gun
-Zimmerman told a neighbor to NOT call 911 AFTER the shooting
Every one of these things are COMPLETELY false and I have proven this with CONCRETE evidence. [/quote]
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gr8.....you are arguing with a troll....why bother ? This person can't even admit who they are.
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