toomom
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This pretty much sums it up.
The link also includes the Judge's findings.
[censored]://axiomamnesia.com/2012/07/05/detailed-analysis-judge-lesters-1m-bond-ruling-exposing-zimmerman-plot-murder-escape-2/
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sampoe55
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Stop it Miranda
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I am writing a detailed response that may take a day or so, please be patient, it will be worth it.
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Why give a "senior" discount, they have had plenty of time to raise the money...
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toomom
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Don't spend to much time ripping the judge's finding. He took almost a week and had a team of legal experts making sure each "I" was dotted and every "T" was crossed.
I do find it intresting that the neighbors complained that George was warning them about black people way before this happened, that he once tried to "go after a black kid in the area" but his wife stopped him, sent endless e-mails to his Corp. office about the 'other' people he worked with-was then fired, didn't have a JOB-this is intresting because he told the nurse at the Dr. office that he came to get a "note to go back to work.", was mad at the HOA because he wasn't allowed to be a member of the HOA Board, the list goes on and on.
If I was this clown, I would plea down to avoid a conviction of 2nd degree murder- prisnors hate child killers.
I want to see a trial, frankly, or at least the SYG hearing or the SD hearing because he will be REQUIRED to take the stand on CAMARA.
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toomom
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Nancy"in-your-face" Grace said it best. Zimmerman has the law 100% against him. One cannot claim on a 911 tape (insert 911 call)that "the kid is up to no good, staring at him, circling his truck, reaching in his waistband,he is running away, ect...." and then get out and go looking for the kid, who ends up dead!
Also, this is why I want to see a trial, if he saw an elderly man with an umbrella walking on the street, would he have called 911? If he saw a man or women in their 40's walking on the street, would he have called 911?
The trial will be intresting because he will have to explain why he only called 911 (a dozen times on black kids) and never ONCE- NEVER ONCE on anyone else he did not know walking the street.
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sampoe55
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Miranda, just stop pretending to be toomom.
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ROFLMEO!
Gotta laugh..."Axiom Amnesia is an independent, non-partisan news source that provides thought-provoking commentary on social, political, and philosophical principles.
"Non-partisan"...give me a break. In order to be 'non-partisan', you can't take a side...looking at the history of their 'blog' with regards to the Zimmerman/Martin case, they have been VERY biased since the beginning.
"Thought-provoking" implies the conclusions should be left up to the readers. Said article makes it clear that there is ONLY one conclusion.
And it's not even a conclusion based on evidence presented in a trial. Seriously, we're supposed to believe that Zimmerman 'plotted' to murder Martin and then escape based on a BOND hearing?
EVERYTHING about this case as been FUBAR'd since day one.
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I read your link. Here is my comments on the various statements in the article. The statements in the article are in quotes, and my responses will start with a "~" to make it easier to differentiate.
"Zimmerman saw the arrest as a slap in the face, because doing all of these things was supposed to be a sign of his innocence. In other words, he was giving the appearance of someone who was innocent, therefore he fully expected not to be arrested. We’ve spoken in the past about how Zimmerman clearly attempts to manipulate people into believing one thing about his character, when in fact, the exact opposite is true."
~The arrest WAS a slap in the face, because not only was the investigation not complete, the coroner's report was not even in yet. The arrest was, BLATANTLY, in response to the outcry by the black community, not by a preponderance of any evidence, since the evidence was not all in yet.
"We consulted a psychiatrist regarding Zimmerman’s actions, in order to gain a better understanding of his manipulation tactics. According to the psychiatrist, claiming betrayal by the system falls into the category of what mental health professionals refer to as projecting one’s own paranoia onto others.
“Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are ‘out to get them.’ And, according to the commonly understood definition, “Projection is a common attribute of paranoia, where people project dislike of themselves onto others such that they believe that most other people dislike them.”
~Great, but did Zimmerman suffer from paranoia? He was diagnosed with ADHD, and medicated for the same, No documented diagnosis, and he was under the care of a medical professional. The symptoms of paranoia fit the theory of a vengeful racist stalking the young child. But he was not that person. He was a reasonably concerned citizen trying to keep an eye on an individual who approached the car and took off running.
"The example given by the psychiatrist was that if a person under “normal” circumstances exhibited the same behavior as Zimmerman in this context, he would be said to be in denial. But, it is not unusual that facing a long jail sentence in a high-profile case that a person would deny their wrong-doing and display behavior that would under normal circumstances be characterized as denial."
~I am going to use a scene from the movie Life of Brian, by Monty Python to illustrate how silly the above paragraph is:
"Brian: ...Will you please listen? I'm not the Messiah! Do you understand? Honestly!
Woman: Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I am the Messiah!
Crowd: He is! He is the Messiah!"
If Zimmerman says he is innocent, he is only denying his true guilt...unless, of course, he is actually innocent.
"Recall Witness #22, who was a former coworker of Zimmerman. Here was a new guy on on the job, and because he was somewhat of a shining star, catching on to the job fast, Zimmerman was intimidated. Zimmerman projected his own feeling of inadequacy of not being as good a salesman as the new employee off on the new employee. Zimmerman made the witness perform menial tasks, then embarrassed him in front of other co-workers for complying with his instruction. The witness says Zimmerman referred to him as a “[censored] moron,” and performed comedy skits about the witness on the job on multiple occasions. Zimmerman’s taunting of the new employee also included racist references to his Middle Eastern background. When the managers finally confronted Zimmerman about his behavior, he wiggled his way out of the situation with charm, causing even the witness to wonder whether he was imagining Zimmerman’s behavior.
Witness #22 also gave information on why Zimmerman was eventually fired from the company. It was because Zimmerman made so many calls to the corporate headquarters to complain about his management that corporate eventually told management to get rid of him because he was troublesome. In this case, Zimmerman felt inadequate because he felt that he could do a better job as manager, but he didn’t have the position/authority he felt he deserved. So, he projected this off on the managers, and made numerous complaints about them, telling the corporate office that he could run the company better than the managers."
~You know, this one was interesting. He teased someone, and was fired from the company for a different reason As for the teasing, the BEST part of this item is, "causing even the witness to wonder whether he was imagining Zimmerman’s behavior" OR, the witness WAS imagining Zimmerman's behavior, right? I mean if the person MAKING the complaint begins to question whether they had a case, you have to listen.
I did a LOOONG search to find when this happened, and have turned up nothing so far. That the DATE of this incident is so hard to find is interesting though, isn't it? If you have a source for that it would be great. I mean was it something that happened last year, or was it something that happened 10 years ago?
"Back in May, news broke that George Zimmerman had participated in ride-alongs with the Sanford Police, with the permission of then Police Chief Bill Lee, after which Zimmerman blasted the department. He wanted so badly to be a police officer, yet for whatever reason, he hadn’t been able to become one. Again, feelings of his own inadequacies resurfaced, and he projected his feelings about himself onto the Sanford PD.
~SO the Sanford PD are NOT a bad group, the reports Zimmerman made were unfounded? SO why are they accused of messing up this case? And if he made UNFOUNDED complains against them...why would they then help him cover up something he did?
"Zimmerman continued with his projection of inadequacy onto the Sanford Police, underscoring that they weren’t doing their job, by heading up the neighborhood watch. We know that he was placed in this position by the Retreat at Twin Lakes homeowner’s association (HOA) board, but he was all too ready to participate. Instead of taking the Sanford Police head on, he developed a passive-aggressive type of camaraderie with them. Furthermore, he participated in the neighborhood watch because he wasn’t allowed to be on the HOA board, because he wasn’t a homeowner."
~So now he joined the neighborhood watch to stick it to the HOA? How does that even BEGIN to make sense? I thought they were theorizing he joined the watch to screw over the police?
"On the other hand, Trayvon Martin was a juvenile, so he is the only one whom the court would view as a child. Even if the false claims that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first were true (there’s no evidence of this), he would still be viewed as a juvenile in the eyes of the court."
~Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. And that is ILLEGAL, regardless of age. A "juvenile" can still be held accountable. Especially a 17 year old "juvenile".
"Instead, Zimmerman approached Trayvon like Chester the child molester. Who would tell their child to stop and answer questions of a grown @ss man who has been watching and staking him through the neighborhood where he lives or is staying?"
~Well, actually, according to Martin's girlfriend, it was Martin who initiated contact.
"Not only did the courses he took in criminal justice feed into his knowledge, but growing up in a family with a father who was a magistrate and a mother who was a deputy clerk of court surely gave George Zimmerman insider knowledge on the inner workings of the judicial system. Consequently, Zimmerman’s claims of ignorance and/or confusion are unbelievable."
~Actually, his understanding of the law is a PERFECT example of his confusion, as this case has not followed the law from the moment the special counsel was assigned.
"Zimmerman has an arrest history, so he had first-hand knowledge of what to expect during the interrogation process. He also gained additional knowledge of the system during the process leading up to participation in a pre-trial intervention program, which allowed him to avoid the usual penalties for the offense."
~So he used a program designed for first offenders and completed it. And for that, he is the BAD guy?
"The idea that Zimmerman had a restraining order taken out on him, and then took one out in return is evidence that he at least understood the advantage of taking a defensive posture in legal cases."
~LOL, this is a good one, especially on a family law site, where we ALL know that an OFFENSIVE posture (he/she who files first, does best) is the best posture to take.
"By reciprocating the injunction, Zimmerman (apparently successfully) helped to cast doubt on whom was the actual victim in the domestic abuse case."
~Yeah, cause NO ONE would lie in family court, and there is NEVER EVER any false restraining orders in FAMILY COURT, right?
"After successfully navigating the judicial system to keep himself out of jail, he took steps to ensure removal of anything present on his record that would prevent him from obtaining a firearm or gaining employment as a law enforcement officer. This included getting the injunction dissolved, as well as anything else that could have stood in the way of his career aspirations in the law enforcement field."
~Like ANYONE would do when applying for a career they want. Nothing nefarious about making sure your legal history is clear before applying for an LEO position.
"At some point, Zimmerman also took the time to educate himself on the applicable gun laws within the state of Florida. He most certainly knew about “stand your ground” and the idea of carrying a concealed weapon for self defense, because the Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm Application lists all of the applicable laws and conditions related to carrying a concealed weapon.
Other evidence that Zimmerman had extensive knowledge of Florida’s laws and judicial system comes from his own words in 911 recordings, where he called on multiple occasions to report Black males he found to be “suspicious.” The calls all have the same elements, including Zimmerman establishing both a threat and his concern for the safety of he and neighbors’ property by stating that he was calling because 1) There have been break-ins in his area, and 2) he sees a suspicious person. He said these things, because he knew full well the law said that he could get away with shooting/killing a person if he had “justifiable use of force” as described in Chapter 776 of the Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm Application.
In these calls Zimmerman is establishing the “facts” needed to get him off for murder. In one of the calls (see Call #2), he was attempting to go outside and confront the guy, but his wife told him not to. This person could have very well been the victim instead of Trayvon, if Zimmerman hadn’t listened to his wife. This call is evidence that Zimmerman IS, in fact, the type of person who would confront someone he found to be suspicious. This is why it is so compelling that he DID confront Trayvon Martin first, before killing him."
~Oh, THIS is GREAT, he EDUCATED himself about the LAW, NOT because he was interested in becoming a cop, not because he wanted to legally carry a gun, but because he wanted to MANIPULATE it? And what about the FACT that Martin's girlfriend has stated that MARTIN was the one to confront Zimmerman? Oh, and one of the aspects of the SYG law is that one has to be in fear of death or great bodily injury. Good thing Martin cooperated and ATTACKED him, huh?
"George Zimmerman could’t have been too confused, because on 4/9/2012 could foresee the need for a legal defense fund after the public outcry for justice for Trayvon Martin had gone nationwide. He knew that the case was national, and he knew that he would have people who would be willing to donate to him. He knew that he might need to post bail or hire a high-power defense attorney."
~And? Knowing your situation deserves public attention is a crime now? I don't see you harping on MARTINS parents for taking it to the media. Trying to get help with legal bills is BAD?
"The jailhouse phone calls between Zimmerman and his wife show further manipulation to make the money available for whatever they decided to spend it on. He was by no means ignorant of the process. In fact, it is obvious by the way that he instructs his wife on the jailhouse calls that Zimmerman is a strategist, or at least he tries to be. We’re also certain that it was not by accident that Zimmerman turned in his invalid passport and kept the other valid one–yet another sign that he was not confused."
~SO this CRIMINAL mastermind openly spoke of the money transfers on a KNOWN recorded line? And turning in the wrong passport WASN'T a sign of confusion? Not because of any OTHER reason, just because THEY believe so.
This article was a hatchet job from the start, containing few real facts, and many flat out lies.
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toomom
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I thought your focus would be on the court's ruling.
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sampoe55
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Miranda, stop it. Everyone knows.
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